Lagging on my Own Server Location? Grr.

[Abc1230]

Run a ping on, say, google.com. Start -> run -> cmd -> ping google.com -t. I average 93ms ping for location close to me. Adding an extra 80 or so MS of ping time on isn't even going to be noticable in RS; the average human reaction time is over 300 MS.

 

 

 

That doesn't even change the fact that he's getting massive lag on a server near him and little on one across the world - he's experiencing it because of a bad server between him and Jagex. It's as unfixable as calling up the Air Force and demanding they remove a lighting storm so it doesn't interfere with your TV reception.

 

You're not supposed to do that?

 

 

 

Just use a different server?

[compfreak847]

It's usually at least a dozen for another continent; the limit is 128 for the same continent, and 255 for another continent. Of those 255 servers, one of them may lag - and guess what! Jagex can't do a single thing about it!

[Abc1230]

Could you say that a few more times? I'm not sure I get it yet =P

[compfreak847]

Could you say that a few more times? I'm not sure I get it yet =P

 

Gladly. Jagex doesn't own the internet, and currently does not have the technical skills to fix any problems you may incur with it.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, the people who frequently post in this forum tend to be rather thick, and this topic is usually brought up a few times a month :roll:

[Sir_Kurity]

Run a ping on, say, google.com. Start -> run -> cmd -> ping google.com -t. I average 93ms ping for location close to me. Adding an extra 80 or so MS of ping time on isn't even going to be noticable in RS; the average human reaction time is over 300 MS.

 

 

 

That doesn't even change the fact that he's getting massive lag on a server near him and little on one across the world - he's experiencing it because of a bad server between him and Jagex. It's as unfixable as calling up the Air Force and demanding they remove a lighting storm so it doesn't interfere with your TV reception.

 

 

 

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80 MS could mean the difference between life and death. I know its not really noticeable, but its bound to make a difference, particularly in PVP Worlds.

 

 

 

Plus In the last Q&A Jagex said they don't want technical problems interfering with gameplay, and more PVP Worlds would solve that problem.

 

 

 

And i know this has little to do with his rant, but I'm just replying to your posts.

 

 

 

And unlike what you said above, This is a problem jagex CAN solve.

[compfreak847]

 

80 MS could mean the difference between life and death. I know its not really noticeable, but its bound to make a difference, particularly in PVP Worlds.

 

 

 

Plus In the last Q&A Jagex said they don't want technical problems interfering with gameplay, and more PVP Worlds would solve that problem.

 

 

 

And i know this has little to do with his rant, but I'm just replying to your posts.

 

 

 

And unlike what you said above, This is a problem jagex CAN solve.

 

You will not even be able to notice 80ms with hardware + human lag (over 350 MS alone). It doesn't make a difference; it's so minuscule that it does not matter at all. Jagex isn't going to put 20+ PVP worlds in so Australia gets one with a few thousandths of a second less lag and an average of 100 players per server. Servers and connections cost money, and if 1 server has 1000 players on it they sure as heck aren't going to split it up just so a few people can get a literally unnoticeable drop in lag. You can't even see it; it's not a technical 'problem', it's a 'problem' with the speed of light.

 

 

 

As for Jagex fixing his problem, you are COMPLETELY missing the point of this rant. He never even MENTIONED PVP worlds in his post. He is complaining that SERVERS NEAR HIM LAG LESS THEN ONES FAR AWAY, due to a bad server somewhere on his packet route. Pray tell, what is your undoubtedly genius explanation of what Jagex is should be doing to do to insure he isn't experiencing packet loss en route to a nearby server?

[Sir_Kurity]

As i stated above, this has little to do with the rant, but I'm replying to your posts.

 

 

 

New servers cost money, changing a server into a different one costs nothing.

 

 

 

Also, if all PVP worlds had 100 people, more skillers would go on PVP worlds because it would be mostly empty, PKers would then go on to kill the skillers, until it evens out to about 800+ people per sever.

[compfreak847]

As i stated above, this has little to do with the rant, but I'm replying to your posts.

 

 

 

New servers cost money, changing a server into a different one costs nothing.

 

As i stated above, this has little to do with the rant, but I'm replying to your posts.

 

 

 

New servers cost money, changing a server into a different one costs nothing.

 

Take a little look at this interesting web page: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/runescape.com

 

The interesting part starts at the bottom, "Runescape users come from this country:"

 

 

 

Yes, US generates a whopping 11 times the web traffic of Australia. Currently, the US has a grand total of 1 members server. They could add 9 more to the US, and be making more people happy, then by adding just 1 to the Australia. They would have to have a total of 23 PVP worlds before they would even consider adding one to Australia. Given the average population of members PVP worlds, we're looking at around 100 users per world, making PKing almost non existent in hotspots, and completely deserted EVERYWHERE else. Imagine 1/10th the users EVERYWHERE in the world; PKing would be completely ruined, with people standing around in hotspots to get potential without the slightest risk of being PKed. All so you can get an unnoticeably faster connection. Oh, and as the OP mentioned, for many of you the aussy servers lag more then US ones.

 

 

 

Do a little research before whining about no PVP servers in your area -.-

[Sir_Kurity]

Yes but if they "add" a pvp world, it dosent cost them anything. There are no disadvantages to making a former normal Australian world, into a pvp world.

 

 

 

If there are 100 people in each server, skillers will jump at the opportunity and the number would increase, and then pkers would join in because they see skillers as easy pretty.

 

 

 

Think about it for a second, what dose it cost them, to make a normal Australian world, into an Australian PVP world, it would make people in Australia more happy, with no cost to them. While they are at it why not make most countries a PVP world, PVP worlds will be made more popular because skillers would see it as a good opportunity.

[compfreak847]

Few people makes skilling incredibly easy. It's not going to boost numbers; PVP worlds are already deserted in every training spot. Can you imagine the outcry from people who had their favorite world (one of a grand total of 3 servers) taken away so a few dozen people could pretend they were lagging less? For that matter, they could just change the label on one of the US servers to Australia, and you would never know the difference (Actually, based on the OP's post and the state of Aussy net connectivity, you would probably lag less). Then again, Jagex happens to be a business, and business appeal to the majority in order to make money, not pleasing a couple of people who want their own PVP server while kicking thousands off of their home world and reducing the number of Aussy worlds by 30%. The backlash in the forums alone would be fierce, and the PVP world would be deserted.

[Sir_Kurity]

Most training spots have pkers roaming it in the hopes of an easy kill, look at yew trees, magic trees, red chinchompas, etc.

 

 

 

Just because that particular person lags more on a server half way across the world, doesn't mean most people do.

 

 

 

Hardly anyone has homeworlds, i know that most of my friends are content with any world as long as its still in there country.

 

 

 

Better yet, i have a new idea, change the f2p PVP world in Australia into a p2p one. We pay, so we should get more.

 

 

 

That kicks about 107 people (last time i cheaked) out of there pvp world (they are non paying players) to please the australians who pay.

 

 

 

And, as ive said before, Jagex keeps going on about how they want us to have fun as well as money, and this wouldn't cost much money (if any) and would make a lot of people happier.

 

 

 

And Edit:

 

 

 

Mod Roderick - While using the keyboard for "twitch" gameplay is enjoyable, it's important that players aren't disadvantaged by technical issues such as lag. It would be awesome to have a more direct effect on the results of combat; for someone who's concentrating on the game to perform better than someone who's also watching TV. We would need to ensure that this didn't make the game unfair, though, and telling the difference between an unresponsive player and lag is rather tricky.

 

 

 

Although this has nothing to do with my argument, the point still stands its important players are disadvantaged by technical issues such as lag, and this goes ESPECIALLY, for PVP worlds.

[compfreak847]

First of all, answer this question: What if Jagex just renamed a PVP world from "US" to "Australia"? You would never notice the lag, as the 50-80 ms is completely unnoticeable compared with human reaction time + Jagex server processing? You would be safe and secure in your knowledge that you now have your very own private server, and you could happily compose rants wondering why on earth a server in your area would lag without realizing that distance has essentially nothing to do with lag.

 

 

 

Now, onto the post: There are more FTPers then PTPers, especially at peak times when your most likely to lag, so Jagex threw the most likely bone to the FTPers. If they want to reduce the lag for paying members, relocating it to the US and making it PTP would satisfy a lot more people then keeping it in Australia. Not that it really matters, as distance simply doesn't do much for lag. It wouldn't make a lot of people happier, most people I know (including me) don't pay the slightest bit of attention to what country servers are in, as the effect is far exceeded by current network conditions and processing times. Jagex isn't going to go out of their way to give a server to that 4.4% of the population while leaving the 80%+ who live closer to the US keep one.

[Sir_Kurity]

it's important that players aren't disadvantaged by technical issues such as lag.

 

 

 

It may not be noticeable, but it makes a difference.

 

 

 

There are more f2pers than p2pers, but in terms of PVP look at the worlds and you will see there are only slightly more players in f2p worlds, and yet they have double the worlds. So thats no reason to give f2p more worlds when they are more often empty than the p2p pvp worlds are.

 

 

 

Distance, dose make a difference, seriously, in fps games (i cant figure out my ping in runescape) I get about 25-100 ping in australia/new zealand servers, and most other places are about 250-350 ping.

 

 

 

And yes, there are 2 pvp worlds in US. world 65 and 26, and both members pvp worlds, and the other one, world 159 is in canada, the US will have 2 servers, more than enough really, its not close to being full so theres no disadvantage to giving one to australia.

[Tim]

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More of a vent then a rant. Im australian and as such i'd expect (or hope) the Australian servers were good. WRONG. I lag so badly on servers that are DESIGNED for Australian Locations. I have better connection to Canadian Servers for gods sake! If your going to make an Australian Based Server, take into accord the Internet we have, connections and how laggy its going to be. :wall:

 

 

 

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I agree, i have the worst possible game play every time i play it. I stay away from these worlds as much as possible, i prefer playing on the tip it homeworld anyways the people are nicer and i get no lag whatsoever.

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"no lag whatsoever" on a US server from Australia. I get "no lag whatsoever" on an Australia server from the US :lol:

 

 

 

It is odd how it works isn't it?

 

I vote we blame Telstra. :evil:

[compfreak847]

 

It may not be noticeable, but it makes a difference.

 

 

 

There are more f2pers than p2pers, but in terms of PVP look at the worlds and you will see there are only slightly more players in f2p worlds, and yet they have double the worlds. So thats no reason to give f2p more worlds when they are more often empty than the p2p pvp worlds are.

 

 

 

Distance, dose make a difference, seriously, in fps games (i cant figure out my ping in runescape) I get about 25-100 ping in australia/new zealand servers, and most other places are about 250-350 ping.

 

 

 

And yes, there are 2 pvp worlds in US. world 65 and 26, and both members pvp worlds, and the other one, world 159 is in canada, the US will have 2 servers, more than enough really, its not close to being full so theres no disadvantage to giving one to australia.

 

It's not noticeable. You would not be able to tell a difference, and like I said, ping times have to do 60% with network conditions, 30% with computer interfaces, and 10% with connection. Plus your natural 'human' lag. I get well under 90ms ping to aussy servers on a good day. If they put in another few servers, it'll be a lot more in the US, and quite a few more in Europe\Asia. Australia, based on traffic, is almost at the bottom of the list. It's all about pleasing the majority, they aren't going to sacrifice the millions of players in one continent so that a few hundred people can get a connection of exactly the same speed, which you still refuse to recognize.

[Sir_Kurity]

Its NOT exactly the same speed, i myself can sometimes notice the difference, so theres definitely something wrong.

 

 

 

As i said, giving us a PVP World isn't GIVING a pvp world, its merely changing another world into a pvp world, do that with most country's and it works, it wouldn't hurt anyone, and if PVP worlds were generally deserted, the player numbers would even up because they would all see opportunity to get "Easy" drop potential.

 

 

 

f2p pvp worlds have one in europe, australia, 2 in us, 1 in netherlands and sweden, so its got most bases covered. That is a decent system, but in p2p PVP they only have 3 servers, so that sux, sure f2p pvp may be slightly less popular, but half the servers is to little.

[compfreak847]

You don't 'sometimes' notice the distance lag, it's always exactly the same. What you DO notice is network\processing lag, which varies from 100-900 ms+. Oh, and Jagex servers update every 600 MS, so there is literally no physical difference in the lag time. It's not 'one for each continent', it's 'one for each group of players'. Australia has 4.4% of the players, so it's not going to get one until long after almost everywhere else.

[Sir_Kurity]

Allrite i yield, this arguments getting to the point where my arguments are running around in circles and half of my evidence is made up on the spot because it sounds cool.

 

 

 

You are clearly the king of massive argumentative skillz.

[compfreak847]

Allrite i yield, this arguments getting to the point where my arguments are running around in circles and half of my evidence is made up on the spot because it sounds cool.

 

 

 

You are clearly the king of massive argumentative skillz.

 

Good argument :P

 

 

 

(too bad I "think I'm always right" :? )