Hand Cannon

[1230abcz]

So, I was using hand cannon at TD's just a while ago, and I was getting totally OP kill rates (I was killing faster than spawn rate in world 2...max people), but then cannon exploded -.-

 

I just need to know hand cannon break rate to determine if it's even worth the extremely fast kills. I'm 99 fm (13.3M exp, if that matters), and I'm not using the cannon for its specials.

 

 

Thanks.

[Serenes]

How I see it is, use broads for now then if you manage to get a drop spend some on hand cannons, after they explode, repeat.

[Bladewing]

How I see it is, use broads for now then if you manage to get a drop spend some on hand cannons, after they explode, repeat.

Either hand cannons are worth it and you use them or they aren't worth it and you use a crossbow instead. Both can't be best.

 

I have no information on the break-rate of hand cannons, and haven't seen any such data anywhere.

[Serenes]

If you look at it that way then someone would have to go calc how fast it takes to kill one w/ a cannon and w/ broads. Then calc how much money you're wasting on hand cannons. Or you can just kill them with broads, get a drop, buy hand cannons for fun and getting "totally OP kill rates" till you're out of them and repeat.

[Bladewing]

If you look at it that way then someone would have to go calc how fast it takes to kill one w/ a cannon and w/ broads. Then calc how much money you're wasting on hand cannons. Or you can just kill them with broads, get a drop, buy hand cannons for fun and getting "totally OP kill rates" till you're out of them and repeat.

I just need to know hand cannon break rate to determine if it's even worth the extremely fast kills. I'm 99 fm (13.3M exp, if that matters), and I'm not using the cannon for its specials.

 

The first way you described is exactly what OP was looking for.

[Aiel]

If you look at it that way then someone would have to go calc how fast it takes to kill one w/ a cannon and w/ broads. Then calc how much money you're wasting on hand cannons. Or you can just kill them with broads, get a drop, buy hand cannons for fun and getting "totally OP kill rates" till you're out of them and repeat.

:wall: its how much money you can make per hour that effects whether or not you should use cannons, and cannons would probably raise this. I was averaging 600 shots with 89 fm so I'd imagine its about 750-1000 with 99.

[Obtaurian]

Perhaps you should begin the documenting process, 1230abcz. :wink: I'm really interested, too.

[1230abcz]

Well, shots are really cheap, and I barely use any per kill, unlike broads. Usually range is the slow factor in killing td's, but with cannon, range is almost on par with melee, leading to bloody fast kills. I just want to know if I can still make a profit off of normal drops with cannon break rate; I know I can cover the cost of the shot/trip.

 

Also, the rate is really erratic. My first cannon from the start of the update, lasted over 2500 shots easy in PvP, and I was using it mainly for the specials (specials = faster break rate). When I started using them for normal hits, my second cannon broke after less than 10 or something during the first fight with it.

[Bladewing]

Are you using extreme range and void? Because I actually hit better and harder with rune bolts than I do with a godsword. I use piety and eagle eye.

[1230abcz]

Extreme range + Turmoil. Hand cannon is hitting around 300's with the occasional 450's without any boosting prayer (aside from extreme range pots), and BGS has an average hit of like 450, and can hit almost 650's without spec. I use D Claws for specials (After a couple hundred specials, I've hit below 400 maybe 10 times max), and then combo after spec with hand cannon + BGS after that. In the first 10 seconds of the kill, the TD is usually 2/3 HP left.

 

 

Edit: In the trip I just did, I used a little under 76k in hand cannon shot (cannon didn't break) and got 400k in loot. Used 10 p pots = less than 120k. So I definitely profit... Just how much with cannon break rates added. I know I make a profit with Claw drops added in, but I'm not gonna rely on those just to offset the fast kills.

 

 

Edit2: Bladewing, what's your average hit with rune bolts? That's the one thing I haven't tried at TD's.

[Serenes]

So you made 190k~ less if you used extreme att/str, how long and how many kills do you do per trip?

 

Edit: Rather than finding what the break rate is I suggest you to do a trip w/ broads or rune/whatever, calcing how much you lose on ammo/pots and see if you make more with cannon.

Edited April 9, 2010 by Serenes

[1230abcz]

So you made 190k~ less if you used extreme att/str, how long and how many kills do you do per trip?

 

 

23 kills in around 40 minutes. The lures were really messed up because of noobs that decided it was cool to lure 3 td's in one spawn.... In the wrong order... [/rant]

 

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Trips are usually 50 minutes long with 10 p pots, 2 ext range/atk/str pots, 40 uni scrolls used, 1 uni pouch, and a negligible number of broad bolts (like 150 used at 120gp each). Around 400k loot each time, sometimes more, but usually never less than that.

 

 

 

Edit at Seren's edit: I know I can cover the cost of the shot, and I don't care if I profit 100k or so less/hour using cannon. All I need to know is if the cannon break rate will start making me lose money/trip or if the break rate is high enough that I make less than 100k/hour. I just need to know the break rate.

[Serenes]

You would make 30k more than w/ hand cannon if you use broads. It really isn't a lot, if hand cannon cannons can boost your # of kills by like even 5 per trip I would say it's worth it even if you make less.

 

@your edit - I really don't think anyone knows what the break rate is. Better off just using it and not to worry about it breaking haha, in the end you make money off claws anyways.