chambochae

I've seen you get this wrong so many times now. The laws of physics, including the laws of thermodynamics, only apply to things inside our universe, not NECESSARILY the universe itself. In order to prove your reasoning, you would have to prove the laws of physics apply to the universe as a unit, in other words you would have to prove that the laws of thermodynamics apply outside this universe, and for all you know the concept might not even make sense. In the same way that for all we know pi could be a number other than 3.14... , or that 'numbers' have no recognisable definition, or that the concept of 'definition' doesn't make any sense at all! You are reasoning with things that you just don't know hold any relevance whatsoever to the situation.

Please :) I would argue that it is important. Genesis sets the scene for God being Good. The rest of the Bible either assumes God is Good, or has God/Jesus saying God is Good. If God and Jesus- (perhaps unknowingly, perhaps he was in on it) were lying, then the god that christians worship does not exist. How can you get your relationship right with someone you do not know anything about?

I put this question to Christians. How do you know God was telling the truth when he dictated Genesis?

I think it's mildly hilarious that this topic keeps turning up like a bad penny.

Bottom line is: A God existing is infinately unlikely. If you narrow it down further and say: The Christian god, out of all the possible gods, well that's even more unlikely. As is any scientific process you could name. Knowing this, I find it impossible to put my faith in anything, be it a God or any other process which could explain the existence of our universe.

If you download a program called Guitar Pro 4, (free trial version), then go to http://www.mysongbook.com, search for (the allmighty) "Less Than Jake", download the tab files for the songs which have the sax (trial and error here I'm afraid, mysongbook doesn't tell you which instruments have been tabbed other than guitar, bass, percussion and vocals, but for example the All My Best Friends Are Metal Heads tab does include the sax), and open it up in Guitar Pro! There ya go :D Then again, I don't play the sax, so this info might be useless to you. Here's a screenshot of the sax in metal heads so you can see what I'm getting at: The top line is guitar tab, but the bottom is music. Is that useable? :D

Skyclad. Folk metal with heavy political influences.

Also, God is sometimes used in a very degrading sense. For example, I once saw someone on the internet say along the lines of "Praise the lord! God has given me good exam results! I walked out of the exam room knowing I had done terrible, but I got a B! Thankyou God!!!!" Now that person should have been thanking THEMSELVES for their OWN achievment, not god. I really got the impression that that person believed god had given them good results. Now that is evil.

And you have proven that how? God is a matter of faith. Just stop trying to reason against Him, you can't reason against faith. Er, the first word in the sentence was "maybe". I was simply voicing some thoughts.

Maybe there is a god, but he couldn't care less whether we believe in him or not, and there is no afterlife at all.

Yet, it would be kinda cool to find out (or not, as the case may be) what happens...

Correction, Your God, not everyone believes in your god. Jesus's death was hardly a sacrifice for an Omnipotent being, a sacrifice is to lose something, what did God/Jesus lose that he couldn't replace? correction, THE God. Prove it. "Prove he isn't" => I can't. But I'm not the one making the claim.

Is 'God' included in this 'everything' you talk of? Anyways, do you know what is outside the universe? Do you know what was around before the universe existed? The answer is no. So how do you know that everything just appeared? Just because we can't see what caused it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That goes for everything, including god. But god is just one theory.

I love that song!! btw, it's the Charmed intro song :P (By some guy) I know... :P @chambochae: Theres this festival atm in belgium, called graspop. Some of the artists performing: Dimmu borgir, After Forever, Alice Cooper, Slipknot, Motorhead, Ice earth, epica, children of bodom, Cradle of filth, agnostic front, .... http://www.graspop.be/pages/kalender_tijd.php To bad I couldn't make it to that :( And OMG... I wanted to go to this one!!!!! http://www.musicpages.be/artikelsview.php?id=87 Festivals in Belgium.. aaah Oh man.... I wanna live in Belgium!! It's so close too... just across the channel! :x 8)

Oh so we were giants in those days, I see. I expect all their bones shrunk back to, coincidentally, our size once they were buried? It's mildly amusing that religion has to come up with such absurd excuses as soon as science throws up an inconvenient obstacle. Called 'evidence'. It's also rather ironic that these excuses are far more implausible than the scientific theories they are trying to discredit.