wildernessfreelancer

That's exactly what me and just about everyone else were saying. Of course it's possible a God/1.gods could've set particles and atoms in motion or created matter. 2.Maybe even the infamous, invisible pink unicorn did so. I can't disprove that. 3.You were implying you have some hidden knowledge, that you know "the soul and afterlife are proven scientifically" and other not-even-pseudo-scientific ramblings. You have a right to your opinion, 4.but don't expect people to just swallow so called "B.S" without evaluating your facts. You can't just say in a debate "I know afterlife is a scientific fact and it exists". You have no sources, documentation or any evidence supporting your claim. 1. If there's such a thing as GODS creating the universe, I highly doubt the universe would exist as it is today. Have you ever heard of a power struggle? Aka, there should be chaos instead of earth being killed slowly by mankind today. In fact, the universe couldn't exist if there was a power struggle (it would be ripped apart if it does). 2. Have you ever heard of the Law of Creation? This means that the creator does not, and will never be the same as what the creator created. (For you, it means that no "pink unicorn" or other things created by the human imagination created the universe). If you insist on me giving an example, here it is: Humans create poop. Poop does not look like humans. (Pardon, that was a crude example.) Do you really think that God would have created something like Him? Well then, I don't see any human being with God-like powers creating stuff out of thin air. And if there's even a human with god-like powers, wouldn't he be fighting with god for all eternity? Again, look at 1. See the relation here? 3. It's just amazing what people would do to defend their beliefs, isn't it? You started flaming my beliefs without provocation, just because you think I'm "easy prey". I was just defending my beliefs out of desperation, because I don't think I would come under attack just by posting my beliefs. 4. I wasn't expecting people to swallow anything at all in this thread. I was just posting my beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that.[/i]

First off, let me make this clear to you that I'm not criticizing/flaming you in this post. This post is just to answer your question. (Bolded) No, I'm not telling you to live with your own opinion. It's your choice. If you want to seriously discuss God's existence, I suggest you watch a real debate and not look for answers here (in this thread).

Situation 1. Person1: I think god is real. *heavenly sound appears* Others: Alright, we respect your beliefs. :thumbsup: Person2: I think god does not exist. *heavenly sound abruptly ends* Others: Alright, we respect your beliefs. :thumbsup: Situation 2. Person 1: I think god is rea- Others: WRONG, [bleep} ! God does not exist 'cause there's no scientific evidence (and so on and so on). Person 1: ........ Person 2: I think god's not re- Others: OF COURSE GOD IS REAL [bleep] , all the proof is everything in this universe (and so on and so on). Person 2: ......... Hey, people don't post 'cause they want to be flamed, ya know. Why can't you flamers (as a HUMAN BEING) refrain from criticizing others just because you think something's wrong with it? You want to know WHY? It's because it hurts other people's feelings, that's WHY. If you want to find out if god is real/not real, you should go to a religious seminar/class/debate instead of finding out what you want to know HERE. This is just a thought thread, not a "prove that god is real" thread. Hell, I don't know why it turned to a DEBATE in the first place! Now, I'm sure that any human being in their right minds will choose situation 1 instead of situation 2. If you get my point, laugh with me. If you don't get my point, read this post again and again and again until you do. Then laugh with me. 8-)

You're a scientologist? Cool! :mrgreen: Really, I overlooked a few reports (actually quite a few) towards you (less) and wildernessfreelancer (more) for making spammy posts instead of contributing to the debate. Everyone should have a right to say their stance when a thing like religion is discussed. But comments like that don't really make it seem like you care about other people's views much, other than trying to flame them. (Not that there's anything wrong with scientology though, just a religion amongst others, except a bit newer) I feel offended. :notalk:

That's my problem with religious debates :D There is barely ever an exchange of facts and opinions can be incredibally silly at times. For what it's worth, I do believe in a God, as my own existance is far to mindboggling to contemplate without one. Edit - I still enjoy thinking about the bigger questions though, where did we come from etc. A God just seems like the best explanation at the moment. Everything and nothing (life and death/ creation of the Universe) is a really hard concept and God makes it slightly easier, as there is still something when nothing is there. Oh thank you, thank you, thank you! *Hugs Ragen* . You just saved me from repeating what you're saying in a different form.

PaperClipsYaaar's How do you go about proving hypothesis? By using rational thoughts, or by real life experiments? And if the hypothesis is proven right (using real life experiments), why does it become a theory? Wouldn't it be easier to say that it's a fact, skipping the theory part?

PaperClipsYaaaar's You should have bolded that. :uhh: You're right, a theory is a system of laws that have been proven to be real. But, you can't say that the system of those laws will work in what you might have anticipated. Have you ever tried to mix a few laws together, make it into a theory and is (surprisingly) proven wrong?

IGoddessI's Yeah, I got the point. Just because I can't afford to buy a dictionary doesn't mean that you middle/upper-class people can discriminate the lower-class. This is outrageous. 8-)

PaperClipsYaaaar's If a theory has been proven in reality, it becomes a fact. A theory doesn't stay as a theory if it is proven. 8-)

warri0r's So what you're trying to say is that the theory above can be most likely be proven? This is what separates the idea/possibility from reality. It is possible for scientists to overlook certain facts and neglect the small factors making it quite different from what it's supposed do in theory and what it's supposed to do in real life. You can't just assume that theories are most likely proven to be a fact just because there is a high possibility that it may be a fact. Unless you're 100% sure. Underlined: Scientists are trying to figure out what dark matter/dark energy does, how it exists and how it affects certain theories. (Especially in space.) This is still being done as we speak.

What I said Do I have to bold/caps/underline this quote? Dictionaries? I'll say it again : In this instance, in this instance, in this instance. So much for being smart by suggesting that I should use a dictionary when I had already mentioned what I've quoted. BlueLancer's NOW I know how you feel. 8-)

BlueLancer's Me: LoL a forum mod thinks I'm a troll! How cool is that? 8-) Bunny: Uhh... you didn't get what he meant, didn't you? Me: Of course I do! He meant that I was as strong as a troll! D'oh! Bunny: Umm... no. Me: That I'm as big as a troll? Bunny: Wrong again. Me: That I'm as scary as a troll? As smelly as a troll? As- Bunny: STOP! He meant that you're as stupid/dumb/idiotic as a troll! Me: ......... * Both stared at each other awkwardly * Me: Oh yeah? What do you know? You're just a talking bunny! *storms off* Sorry, couldn't resist :lol:

Thank you. It's just that, there are those few things in life that cannot be explained by science/logic/rationality. An example : What happened before the Big Bang theory. No one knows for sure the answer to that. Well then, isn't it possible that you can throw in "God theory" before the Big Bang theory? (Assuming that "God" is a singular, invisible super-entity.) It's a possibility. Then, God (in this case) would have indirectly created the stars and planets, life, and everything else in the universe.... when God had possibly created the Big Bang in this theory. :thumbsup: Underlined: Theory, in this instance, means : A scientific possibility that is not yet proven by science in reality.

My EDIT: (A forum mod vs a forum newb.)

BlueLancer's I can't believe you've replied rationally to one of my (obvious) jokes. :shame:

warri0r45's Well.... in the very beginning I was expressing my own opinion and minding my own business. That is, until BlueLancer stabbed my brain with a knife made out of words. Thanks to him, I can't sleep soundly last night (no, seriously) and I had a bad headache. Even as I'm typing right now, I can't seem to get his "knife" out of my brain. What's worse is that Mr. Warrior here intervened between the 2 lancers post exchanges. (A forum mod vs a newb mod.) You just HAD to make people's lives more miserable. :roll: Btw, You started posting to me and telling me the "fallancy-atrocious-crap" that I was saying. Aka you started it. :notalk: And I don't want to hear any augmentum-latin-whatever unless it's from an exorcism ritual. 8-)

Omg this is all too funny. :lol: I mean, this thread is about voicing out your opinion (whether God is real or not), and not about criticizing other people for doing so. Also, the thread is " Is God real? Post your thoughts!" , not "Is God real? Post the facts!" (Not that anyone has the fact to make this all right/wrong to begin with.) I just don't understand why some people just HAVE to say whether people's opinion are right/wrong (usually the latter). The point is to stop criticizing-slash-flaming people just because YOU think their opinion is flawed. 8-) =D>

OK,OK stop it already! I'm going to kill myself, coz you've hurt my feelings *says in a cute voice*

BlueLancer's Why, thank you. Actually, I've realized that I'm not trying to convince atheists to convert. Everything I said was just based on my opinion. You know what? People have their own beliefs, and I respect that, because people will want to think that what they believe in is right. So, for now, those posts are just based on my opinion. Please don't post me back anymore. And I sincerely apologize for any offense that I may have caused. No, really. I mean that. Hey where are you going?! Come back here!! :ohnoes:

warri0r45's Dude, seriously, your statement is an absolute insult to scientists worldwide. Here's a link to one of many proofs that it is possible to break lightspeed barrier http://frontiersciences.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!A1E4CC21DE41A7DD!169.entry warri0r45's No, really, you're insulting Science. Bigtime. 8-) warri0r45's And WHO are you to say that? can you give me evidence that my statement is false? :roll: warri0r45's Yes, that is another factor that prevents the observer from seeing the core of the black hole. :wall:

BlueLancer's And, yes scientists have proven that the afterlife and the soul exists, since you really wanted scientific evidence. It's just a matter of believing it or not. And right now, you're just denying the truth because you can't accept it. BlueLancer's For the record, I don't believe in luck, so I'll take that as a saying. Well, I'm not in college at the moment as I'm only 15.. BlueLancer's Ok, you got me there. Right now, I'm just feeling stupid. Let's take it this way: Zeus, "god of lightning", does not exist as it is proven by scientific evidence that lightning is made up charges. Poseidon, "god of the sea" does not exist as scientific evidence shows that waves are made by winds. Omg, I can go on proving that all of them are false. But the point is that some gods are not yet proven with scientific evidence to be false. Do.....you....understaaand... the wordsss.... that... are... coming.... out... of... my.... mouth?! BlueLancer's *Sigh*... religions do not have to be rational.. because some things in life cannot be explained rationally. I mean, I can dream the future, where's the rationality in that? BlueLancer's Yeah, I'd like to see that coming..... 8-)

My dear BlueLancer, have you ever been in a situation where not even science and rationality can explain what you're feeling, or seeing? 8-)

*Sigh*..... I'm left speechless (and tired) reading your imaginary friend thing. It's like saying "Hey there, people! Meet Jesus, my imaginary friend! He's standing beside me, to the left."

BlueLancer's How can you be so sure that God and Science are not related? It seems that you know heck-of-a-lot-more about God than I do, by saying that in this quote. I mean, is there even evidence that science cannot prove God exists? What I said in my last post (near the end) is about proving that nothing is impossible. Don't forget, people once said that exceeding lightspeed is impossible. Now, that statement is brutally killed as there is hard evidence to prove them wrong. My point is not that God and Science are related or not, but about proving that the impossible is possible. :wall: That the unexplained will be explained in time. BlueLancer's What if scientists have found a way to prove the existence of God? They have already prove that the Afterlife and the Soul exists. What, you want to wait for the end of the world to believe God exists? Well, it would be too late then.... BlueLancer's How can you be so sure that humans created God? It would be more plausible to say that they spread the message that God exists , from time immemorial (a few thousand years back, maybe?) Surely, the "story of God", as you've assumed, wouldn't survive for centuries. So the fact is: God does exist. Not because it's "popular with the people", but because it's a fact. And I'm talking about God in general, not the abrahamic one, so , yes, 6.5 billion people believe in God in general. You just can't dismiss the fact just because the majority of the people believe in them and it's not proven yet, because it will be proven sooner or later. (Like I said, a matter of time.) By the way, I saw the UFO thing, and I can only say that they exist as well. (Most of them are hoaxes, but some of them just cannot be dismissed as a hoax because it contains genuine hard evidence.) BlueLancer's Why do you always make assumptions? I'm not appealing to popularity, the numbers are just statistics. The argumentum- Latin- thingy? That's just an excuse to hinder us from the facts. Is it wrong for the majority of the people to believe in something that is credible? BlueLancer's How, then, is the concept of God alive after all these centuries? Like I said, just because something is not proven yet, it does not make it untrue. BlueLancer's Yes, right now the proof is all in the book. Of course, there is no scientific evidence towards the unknown. (Coincidence, ghosts, OBE) And right now, the book is classified in the unknown section, by scientific terms. BlueLancer's How can you be so sure that God does not exist? By scientific means, yes, it is impossible to prove God's existence at the moment. If you think rationally, all you need to do is to give it time for some hard evidence to appear. BlueLancer's You're kidding, right? :uhh: The only factor that separates God from other nonsensical fairy-tale characters you've mentioned is that the fairy creatures are made up by people (including you and you're noodle-monster thingy) and that they are made in the present.Who are you to say that people "created" God? Do you even have any evidence without relating to creatures made up by the human mind? And the concept of God goes back a long, long time ago. Who are you to say that the people in the past "made up God" and that story survives until today, somehow for some absurd reason? The thing is, it can't survive. The only reason why people believe in God from the past until today is because He is real. People are not stupid enough to believe in creatures made up by the human mind, which proves that God is not made up by humans. BlueLancer's Do you know what's inside the Black Hole in space, after you've passed the event horizon? The answer is: No. Heck, even scientists don't know what happens after passing through that point. They even claim that it defies logic to even think what might be inside it after that point. (The event horizon refers to the point that things can no longer be observed by the observer as the particles are traveling faster than the speed of light, and we need light to see, or observe things.)

If you guys want to stop this macro problem, think of a possible solution instead of muttering about banning lvl 3's and IP crap. Here's what I think : Macros/autos/bots do not need a computer to function. They need runescape. (IF you haven't noticed, they do not log out or get disconnected.) I suggest Jagex to make a leech detector (aka a program that detects unauthorized characters that are "hooked" onto runescape, much like keyloggers that latch themselves onto keyboards.) If Jagex could make one of those (what I call) "anti-bot programs" then it should solve the bot problem altogether. (Unless the characters are actually played by slaves working in a sweatshop, like Jagex had mentioned sometime ago.) Take note that some high level players may be caught macroing (like green dragon autos). Some people even install autoclickers on their characters as they do not want to be disconnected beacuse of lagging. (Like I said, the bot program rely on runescape, not the computer.)