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The average number of accounts owned by a single player isn't 5, it's far less then that. I've made a grand total of 3 accounts, one of which I haven't been on in over 3 years, and the other I haven't been on in almost 2. Most of my friends (~400 of them) own 1 account; a few of them own 2. The average is more like 1.5.
considering that Jagex has said that there are 2 million players, 4.8 sounds good to me. Remember that it's not just ACTIVE accounts; the 13 mill would obviously include all lvl 3 accounts made out of boredom, locked, and banned accounts.
Where did jagex say 2 million players? There are 130 million accounts, as of a couple of months ago when RSHD came out (one of the RS website adverts), so that's 65 accounts per player. Something's wrong here.
My bad, you're right. I thought it said 13 million, not 130 million. But even if you said that it's 1.5, I would be skepticle since that means over 40 million players ever. It's probably somewhere between 2.4-3.2 accounts per player, but now we're getting off-topic aren't we? :oops:
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The average number of accounts owned by a single player isn't 5, it's far less then that. I've made a grand total of 3 accounts, one of which I haven't been on in over 3 years, and the other I haven't been on in almost 2. Most of my friends (~400 of them) own 1 account; a few of them own 2. The average is more like 1.5.
considering that Jagex has said that there are 2 million players, 4.8 sounds good to me. Remember that it's not just ACTIVE accounts; the 13 mill would obviously include all lvl 3 accounts made out of boredom, locked, and banned accounts.
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First, high levels took over CastleWars and made it pointless for <80 cbt. players. Then, Duel Arena, Bounty Hunter, Clan Wars, and now Stealing Creation.
Can't you leave us at least one minigame where you don't try to spoil it for everyone?
Jagecx could be like Blizzard and separate the combat lvls into tiers.
In warsong gulch (basically castle wars) there are the following tiers:
10-19, 20-29, 30-39, etc. and then a tier solely for lvl 80s
But they're just enjoying the game, and minigames and boss raids are ENDGAME content. That means that you will want to play minigames towards the END of your gaming career when there's nothng left to level up.
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*checks RS main page* "There are currently 126646 people playing!"
Nope from what I see, RS is alive and well. As for those people saying "Oh! but hey! it used to say 200,000 people are playing a year ago!" I'd like to point out 100,000 of them are bald, level 3s, wearing their khaki shirts and green pants, slaving over yew logs or flax fields making my goal of 99 woodcutting a pain in the (bleep). From what I see, besides a few items in the GE (3a items, phats, D claws) are off in prices, RS has become so much better.
Yup, because there were 100,000 autoers/goldfarms then, and none now. Player to player interaction is much more important than any prices. The G.E. should be used to trade small, otherwise hard to get materials, not anything and everything.
I'm stumped. Care to offer a suggestion to what skill is or is it too ambiguous or broad?I would define skill as doing something that takes a great deal of effort, repeatability, and complexity. Tying your shoe for example, is repeatable, and might seem complex when you don't understand how to do it. When you learn something relatively difficult, those you associate with might find that it takes skill to do. However, when you move up in life, those arduous tasks turn into routine behavior. It's all relative, I guess. If you can do something someone else can only dream of doing, you are skilled in their eyes. But you think that it is a pretty easy task, you don't see it as skill, but rather as routine. Meh, I'm confused too #-o .
I do admit that the G.E. has lowered some prices because it makes it so much more easy to trade. I'm sure that before the interstate was built, prices were very non-uniform because some places would have a high concentration of X product, but others have not so high concentration of X product. You can't really say that the G.E. is "good" or "bad" since it is merely a tool. It is what people do with the G.E. that can be labeled as such (but getting into that would be getting off topic ;) )
Alright, so skill is basically a growing standard; it is basically experience. Now, that can both mean physical, measurable experience like rs skills, and it can mean immeasurable experience like how long the player has been exposed to the game or to certain aspects of the game.
A has more experience in a than B has in a.
B has more experience in b than A has in b.
Both are true statements.
Since A can apply to pking and B to skilling, essentially we have determined that pking takes a different kind of skill than skilling, but both do require skill. Because the two kinds of skill are just that, two kinds, it is impossible to compare them because "more", "better", and the like are adejctives of degree.
Now that we have found that pking and skilling are equal in terms of skill, back OT
The official number of quit accounts really is 60,000 within January and then after would be minute or the "normal" rate of quitting. I'm going to say that the average player owns ~4.8 (slightly random decimal ftw) accounts. Since there have been 13 million accounts created, that means there have been ~2,700,000 players since 2001. Let's assume that there are 288,000 gold farming accounts (4.8 * 60,000). And because the quitting farmers were only half (those who had just started and that there were actual twice as many because half of them were downsized or replaced by another half), there were 576,000 accounts committed to gold farming.
Now, let's assume that 1/3 of the total population of the community has quit.
Through the following calculations, there are 1,725,000 players
13,000,000 - 576,000 = 12,424,000 -> A
A / 3 = 4,141.333 -> B
B * 2 = 8,282,666.666 -> C
C / 4.8 = 1,725,555.555
Even if there is only ~1/15 of those players on at any given time, 1.725 million players is far from dead.
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Skilling only requires to to click something once every 20 seconds or so. That does not take much effort or skill. Monster hunting is stupidly easy. Put on prayer and you're untouchable. Please, go Pk yourself. Then tell me it doesn't take skill. I'm sure that any old player can pull of perfect attack style switches and stop their opponent from reaching the safe zone. You're right. It takes no skill at all :roll: .
There needs to be a certain criteria for "skill" for the argument to get anywhere.
Since you response didn't make sense with the criteria I suggested, my assumption of that criteria must be wrong.
Alright, then what is skill? You haven't given a definition, only an example: clicking X amount of times in a set of places to cause your opponent to die.
Alright, I think I can work out a good criteria form that statement.
~Skill is being more powerful than your opponent~, well I can measure power by saying I am more powerful than you because I have 99 attack you have 50 (examples). That doesn't make sense, therefore my criteria must be wrong or 99 ISN'T more powerful than 50 attack.
Here is my next suggestion:
~Skill is the ability to outwit your opponent and or defeat them~
If I manage to kill my opponent, even if it was partly due to luck, that means that luck is also a skill. If I am losing and manage to escape, then am I more skilled than my opponent? I believe so. The most skilled player killers can be found on the hiscores of bh and FoG, the latter heavily based on strategy.
The criteria checks out so far.
Monster hunting requires little skill, only knowledge of the monsters' attacks and weaknesses. Skilling requires no skill because it has no opponent. (I could argue that "goals" are opponents, but then we'd be getting nowhere).
Ok, so using the criteria: "Skill is the ability to outwit your opponent and or defeat them", means that the statement "Pking is better than skilling because it requires skill" is now true.
But now the statements "People revere those with skill" and "People revere those with high levels" come into play. "All A is B; All A is C; therefore All B is C" That syllogism is correct, yet it isn't correct in the real world. Why? Therefore, my criteria must be wrong if it doesn't make sense.
I'm stumped. Care to offer a suggestion to what skill is or is it too ambiguous or broad?
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You could say that Karil's is a tanking set of armor with high damage output. It's as fast as a msb for pete's sake, it SHOULD be less accurate. The armor has good magic defense, but I think it sacrifices melee defense for that, though I'm not sure. It's good armor, but when compared to the degree of other barrows armor, it pales in comparison.
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1) High defense does not make me a noob, it just means you need to train your attack better.
2) Using a cannon on an unpopulated world does not make me a noob just because you decided you decided to come train on the world after I was already there.
3) Using a cannon to train slayer does not make me a noob, it just means I want fast exp.
4) Using a cannon to train range does not make me a noob, it just means that unlike you and your iron arrows I don't want to wait a year.
5) Using red chinchompas to train range does not make me a noob, it just means I have money.
6) Using prayers does not make me a noob, it just means you need to bury some more ones to even the playing field.
7) Killing you when you are collecting spirit shards does not make me a noob, it just means I want to win and play the game like it was meant to be played.
8) Using ice barrage and then stepping away and using my dark bow does not make me a noob, it just means you should have better armor and a ranged weapon.
9) Using protect item does not make me a noob, it just means I value my equipment.
10) Having low strength and attack does not make me a noob, it just means I'm not melee-oriented.
11) Having played for 7 years and not being max combat doesnt make me a noob, it just means I have more focuses in life.
12) Having a party hat does not make me a noob that has no life, it just means I have played a long time.
13) Merchanting does not make me a noob, it just means I have a good head for economics.
14) Freezing you and not letting you get a high score in Fist of Guthix does not make me a noob, it just means I'm playing the game how its meant to be.
15) Eating food does not make me a noob, it just means my inventory isn't empty.
16) I'm not a noob for using silver bolts instead of a better metal, it just means thats how I trained my crafting.
17) Using a cannon with ammo I smithed doesn't make me a noob, it just means I don't mind taking a while to get ammo and gaining smithing exp.
18) Ranging with my dark bow + dragon arrows (p++) while in my infinity robes and casting blood barrage does not make me a noob, it just means you should've been better prepared.
19) Not wanting to duel you in a dds-only match does not make me a noob, it means I don't want my fate left to a RNG.
20) Buying my way to a fast 99 does not make me a noob, it means I spent time earning gp instead of training that skill the inexpensive and slower way.
21) Not having done Heroes Quest, Legends Quest, and even Shield of Arrav doesn't make me a noob, it just means I don't quest much.
22) Having a low fishing level doesn't make me a noob, it just means I buy my food.
23) Not answering your question because I am muted does not make me a noob.
24) Being muted does not make me a noob, it just means I was unfairly hit by the mutehammer.
25) Not selling you some random item does not make me a noob, it just means you need to visit the GE.
If I weren't already committed to a religion, I'd say this is the Bible :thumbup:
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So I plead from the intelligent tip.it forum posters that come to answer questions for their fellow members:
- Why are there too much people like him that come to annoy other people that play runescape?
- Why do they even want to annoy us at all? I'm a level 3. And he has full zamorak armour. SO WHAT? IS THIS THE ONLY WAY HE CAN RELIEVE HIS PSYCHOTIC FRUSTRATIONS?
When you are miserable, you need something that is even more miserable than you.(from a famous tv psychiatrist)- And even when he DOES spark a verbal fight with someone else, can he not be competent enough to make some CREATIVE INSULTS? Is that all he can say? "stupid u noob"?
- And why does he start it in the first place? A few lines of real insults from me and he wimps out. I mean, COME ON! Where's that TOUGH MACHO GUY inside you, eh? I thought this was a VERBAL FIGHT? Come on! Don't wimp out like this? Aww, its ok. May I help you notice that I used NO "swear words" or "offensive language" during our short verbal exchange?
-"Baiting" is something that is actually quite common...among younger internet goers. My best friend who is very nice in life can be quite "baiting" on the computer, though he only does it when he's bored. His age was 13 last time he did that. It's probably some sort of "I'm bored. I'll see if this a pandora's box and see what happens if I open it". Obviously, you WERE a pandora's box and was too much for him to handle.
-see the above point
-Stupidity tends to annoy the best of people. I actually have to commend him for being effective. "If you do something bad, do it well." I don't condone his behavior, but his effectiveness does have me stunned if he has made you rant on the forums and get pissed off.
-(a)see first point. (B) at this point, I would abandon all logic and roll on the floor laughing my [wagon] off :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Im glad to see that some people have some interest in risk around here, some pvp. If you play runescape because you think its a real good time to click a mouse on the same spot again and again for 15 hours at a time, then good for you.
Response to Deviled Egg's Alexa Graph:
Very clever how you cut the pre update graph off at the peak time of the year, the summer. If you compare them as far as year-to year growth is concerned(that allows for the natural fluxuations at different times of the year) there is little to compare. In november 07 it looks like it was slightly higher. Also, do you really think that one day in early July, all of the sudden the number of players doubled in one day? There is some credit that needs to be given to the points brought up by Dream Reaper. In december 07' was definately higher, but that can be attributed to high school christmas breaks, and we are only 12 days into this december. And maybe because of the outrage over the ruining of this game.
I remember those riots. I thought that it was hopeless, and they were randomly banning people who dared disagree with Mod Paul The Great, so I didn't join in.
And Dream Reaper that is a great sig! Do you know where I can get it?
Considering that ANYTHING in rs is clicking for "10 hours a day", you really have no comparison.
[hide="Read if you say]I assume that you will say: Pking is better than skilling because it also requires skill.
Let's look at that statement and its relevant terms:
Pking uses much energy over long periods of time. This is due to an adrenaline rush caused by the risk aspect (forming the fight or flight response). Essentially, you are participating in high stress activity by player killing.
Skilling does not use much adrenaline because you are not risking anything by stringing bows. Stringing bows or whatever skill the player is training is usually very monotonous and the occasional random event (~once per three hours) to divert his attention is actually looked forward to.
Better: yes, we must define this term for clarification. Better means "superior". What are your criteria for being "better"? Well, you seemed to have answered that: "more skill".
Skill: What is your criteria of skill? Is it a person who clicks less is the better/more skilled player? If that is the case, then the person who doesn't play Runescape at all is the better player. Then, maybe it is the one who gains the most with the fewest amount of clicks? Well, then we must assess "most".
Most: I assume that the "most value" is the "best payoff". Well, if that is the case, then I dare say that skillers make more money than pkers. Note: "skillers" includes those who normal/slayer monster hunt as well as preform non-combat skills because they both give little if no adrenaline rush like pking. Why do you think that most bots and rwt were skillers? Monster hunting would be under the radar more and thus less "restarts".
If you say that "most value" is the "most fun", then that is purely opinionated and changes with every person. Opinions cannot be disproved and therefore cannot be used in a logical argument.
Therefore, the theoretical response "Pking is better than skilling because it requires more skill" is either false or unable to be argued[/hide]
And really, what are you trying to say? Jagex is trying to take out risk? Jagex is trying to run itself into the ground?
Considering that pvp worlds are MORE dangerous than the wild (since it includes wild levels AND normal 5 + 10% of level), Jagex must be trying to increase risk, or do you say that the pvp worlds were unintentional?
If Jagex were trying to run itself into the ground, then they would have done so already by firing all of its employees, or do you think that Jagex is too stupid to realize this?
Are you trying to say that Jagex is making the game worse? Then why not let the bots run rampant? They ruin the enjoyment of legitimate players and therefore make the game worse, or do you believe that causing malice upon new players is actually beneficial to the game as a whole?
There are many flaws in your arguments.
If you are trying to say that runescape is dead, what do you mean by that? The game community is dead? You can look at activity charts to see that that statement is not true. That the previous community is dead? That is actually true. Of course, then that also means that the community ten months, six months, one month, two weeks, and yesterday are also dead.
If I have addressed none of your arguments and points, then please clarify.
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Not everyone has or wants 70 defence though, and not everybody wants the constant expenditure of barrows armour. I'm not saying its not worth it, but some people just don't think the little bonuses are worth it.
Considering that you can make the cash by having varrock armor, I can repair the armor with almost no loss every two or three weeks depending on my combat activity.
Read my post? Not everybody wants the constant expenditure of barrows armour for what they think is a small bonus. If people can easily make the money or not is beside the point.
If you can make up the money for one repair in 1 day, then the cost is negated isn't it?
100 - x + x = 100
So yes, the factor of making up money IS part of point.
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Actually, it probably wasn't. They hear about this, go "HOLY CRAP! We forgot to let the knights drop the armor! But we can't take the blame...", and say that it was "intentional" all along. And if that's not true, than that mod whatever certainly does NOT have his head screwed on right.Id like to address the issue of the Elite Black Knight Armour within the quest, which many players are calling an error.This was a design decision I made, and which was agreed to by a number of my colleagues. This particular challenge was slightly more subtle and it did, unlike some challenges, have a consequence.
It's unfortunate to hear that some players feel disappointed with this part of the quest, however I would like to explain my reasoning behind it. If a player decides to drop those items in preference to others at that time, that is a decision they may have made in haste and without properly investigating all of the surroundings. Players are tasked with the challenge of properly investigating all the surroundings and hopefully rescuing a certain NPC from the area, but it was up to them how they did it.
Some of you may feel that the consequence of your actions is too harsh, again, it's unfortunate if you feel this way. This quest not only challenges players' ability to solve puzzles and defeat monsters, but also challenges the way they approach quests. The Grandmaster Quest is different to all others in RuneScape and consequences play a part of that change.
I very much hope you can see my point, even if you dont agree with it, but most of all I hope that youll bravely persevere with the quest and see it through to completion, even if that costs you some time or some in-game resources.
As always, thanks for your feedback.
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Might seem a bit lame, but it was intentional.
If that were true, then why not change the drop table? Andrew G. said unbalanced trade was only a few lines of code, surely a drop table is not that large for 3 items? When you think of it that way, then their explanation checks out. Besides, unless it has "destroy" option on a quest item, you can assume it is either EXTREMELY out of whack to retrieve the item (lunar armor for the price of mystic *glares*) or you can't retrieve (beads of the dead/dark dagger). And why would someone drop the armor? It's free, almost the same stats as RUNE and tradeable. I personally wouldn't drop or sell it; I still have a phoenix crossbow and slave clothes for some nostalgic reason even though I haven't taken them out of my bank for 3 years.
And if they did put the armor in the drop table, the price of rune would go even lower.
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I have to say, I agree with you completely. Every skill cape is an accomplishment, whether it's cooking or slayer. The only thing I must add is that the quest point cape should now be going extinct :lol: . The 65 farming and herblore makes this a very "hard" cape to accomplish. Too bad I wasn't one of the lucky few to do the quest and reclaim my cape :cry:
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I must be the exception then since I manage to keep my dagger about 9/10 of the time. Finding a lvl 1 clay deposit also works wonder; free prayer pots and sup set! :thumbsup:
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Yup, on quite a few games I and my team have done spawn camping. I do it after I've gotten plenty of points, and it lets all the other players on our team get massive points uninterrupted. Because the other team is practically helpless without clay, they don't stand a chance. As for the dagger, 2 ancient mages can easily take out a player before he ever gets close enogh to touch them. It's strategy; I earned that 135 combat and 99 magic.
actually, I take out 1 of those mages after ~10 deaths \
, but then that's just me, a lvl 116 tank with 83 mage and 86 defense and 70 prayer. However, you're right; 2 v 1 isn't very favorable. The difference between 2 v 1 and 3 v 2 is vastly different, so I won't get into that. The relevance is that very rarely is there only a single person being spawn killed. Usually it's about 4-6. If those people just used tactics (like all pile 1 mage with smite and protect item), they would eventually break through the defenses and either kill the mage or force them to retreat (which is basically just as good in terms of fighting).
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There's a simple way to solve this: Anticipation
First thing you should do instead of going out and trying to pk: get AT LEAST a bunch of lvl 3 clay and turn them into daggers. lvl 4 is preferable. lvl 4 daggers have same atk as lvl 3 scimitars and are msb speed on rapid. Just 1 item out side outsid eyour base, protect item, smite + piety, die with retribution. The cycle adds up a lot. En masse about 4 people can take out a lvl 138 barraging if they spread out at first. For multiple people, well, that's why you have 10 people on your team! Pile each person with 10 dagger!
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What update would that be?
edit: of course, place the "fix" on the RSOF where I don't read instead of the news announcements! :-#
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Oh well, the thread was short lived and my goal cut down in its prime.
I still have the 1 mill+ picture though! \
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You're kidding? Have you tried to swing a REAL battle axe before? They are about twenty pounds. And rangers have quivers on their legs, so all they have to do is do the fluid motion of pulling up, out and release. Battle axes have to swing HARD and then recoil back without being hit.
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Not everyone has or wants 70 defence though, and not everybody wants the constant expenditure of barrows armour. I'm not saying its not worth it, but some people just don't think the little bonuses are worth it.
Considering that you can make the cash by having varrock armor, I can repair the armor with almost no loss every two or three weeks depending on my combat activity.
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People were probably asking the same thing when d longs first came out :lol:
I bet dragon kites will be form adamant dragons and dragon plates from rune dragons.
I wonder if they'll make dragon defenders as drops from dragon dragons? :-k
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At this point I would just reconsider all those seemingly "useless" books, NPCs, etc. in Runescape.
I'm flipping through my bookshelf in my PoH now, so far nothing too exciting has turned up, but who knows? I know now that Seren is made out of Crystal at least \
Well, if the posts before are true and Movario is searching for the Stone of Jas, then that means that Lucien is basically trying to become one of the Elder Gods (gods stronger than Guthix, look them up on runewiki :ohnoes: ). My theory is that the fist of Guthix is the Stone, but just a hunch based on the designs of the fist and the cutscene from Making History.
Mistress Seren is more than just made up of crystal. Not only is she the "divine" aspect of the Animal Mundi, but she ties directly with the Stone: the source of both magic AND the Animal Mundi.
Quite frankly, I hope that one of the Elder Gods takes the stone from Geilinor forever; it's causing tension to build up dramatically. The quests are setting up the world like in a game of "squares"; the players keep drawing lines until it's impossible to NOT give a box to the other. The world will probably go into another gods war at this rate, but not before Kaqueemex and his druids are killed to prevent the Edicts of Guthix from following through :cry:
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on a guide somewhere it said that if you have a toy box and missed last years halloween, you will find a grim reaper hood in the box. now, befroe i go spend over 200k on getting 42 constrution, i need to know if you didnt already have the toy box, can you still get the hood? ty for all help :thumbsup:
It's been confirmed as a bug and fixed; everyone who did not receive a hood during the 2007 event will both lose one gained through this bug and be unable to claim the hood.
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What would have if they added another set of god-trimmed armor? Like Zarosian armor? Zaros is popular, but would it be more popular than even Guthix? :-k
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I agree, the scimmy owns longsword any day of the week, except it's spec might as well just poke your enemy in terms of it's usefulness, and besides, the only weapon I can ever hit anything with is a dragon dagger. :?
And in both cases, the longsword spec owns the hardest since it can hit slightly less harder than a dds but MUCH more accurate.
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Answer this simple question:
Do meleers or rangers carry only one weapon? No. They carry dds and whip, cbow and msb
Therefore, why not mages use more than one spell?
Consider this set up:
Ice barrage -> Shadow barrage -> Smoke Barrage -> Ice barrage continuously. Blood Barrage as needed. You can replace the barrage spells with blitzes if needed.
What this set up does:
Holds target for 20 seconds.
Poisons at 4.
Lowers attack by 15%.
On the now off chance you get hit, you can heal using blood barrage.
The runes shouldn't be a problem since you only need deaths, bloods, souls, and combination of water, fire, and air runes/staff/combo runes. According to my calculations, you use 5 inventory spaces with ancient staff and 4 with steam staff. The rest of the inventory space should be used for super defense, prayer potions, possibly Saradomin Brews and sup restores.
Your argument of being expensive only holds water until Jagex releases Soul runecrafting. After that, all of these items can be foraged and made.
Of course, this is pure anti melee. I haven't posted any anti-range because range is supposed to beat magic.
Another set up:
Ice Barrage -> Miasmic Barrage -> Shadow Barrage -> Smoke Barrage -> Ice/Blood Barrage as needed.
This will render a meleer using anything under a scimitar/whip useless.
Miasmic Barrage -> Smoke Barrage -> Blood Barrage As needed.
Anti-range finally. Notice that this set does not include Shadow or Ice Barrage because Attack does not determine accuracy and rangers can shoot from afar.
Only if the ranger uses dragon bolts will a cbow be semi-effective. A msb will be rendered worse than a normal cbow.
Magic only needs a creative mind to be effective. Don't say that magic is under powered; say that the mages' minds behind that attack style are underpowered.
Dhide argument:
They are hybriding, why aren't you?
Obvious.
Range armor + melee weapon < Melee armor + melee weapon
Don't light a fire, pour water on it, and then complain it went out.
Basically, it's like:
Lol, every1s got a landmaster, why don't you?
Because I can't let you have that, fox