Skully

What it comes down to in the end is that people will throw in a baseless statement and disguise it as an "opinions". Voilà, your baseless claim is now untouchable, and you don't have to defend it. So, "gay kids from straight parents are a minority, at least around here anyway. " is a statement of fact, not an opinion. Why would I say something if it wasn't my opinion? That's a pretty stupid idea actually. I never said that. It's just that you can't come and say "blacks are inferior" and try to pass it off as "an opinion that can't be wrong". You are welcome to say your opinion and to have it respected by others. That doesn't mean it's untouchable, or that you don't have to back up facts. That's the whole purpose of a debate. But I would like to get back on the original topic, if you don't mind. You still haven't addressed any of the points we brought up concerning homosexuality as a choice. [Edit] There's something where I agree with you and yguy, though. People throw around "bigot" way too easily nowadays. I have. Look back a page. But yeah, it's all ties in with political correctness, we are somehow bad for having a different opinion. No. You're trying to be rid of me just because I have a different opinion to you. Also calling me a bigot simply for having a non-pc, 'controversial' if you like, opinion. That's different to telling me i'm wrong. (Which isn't possible with a subject matter like this) You seem like you want one big happy thread of everyone supporting the OP with no real discussion? :mellow: Aha get used to it. If you're anti gay marriage, you're automatically a bigot. Yet, if you're anti-religion, you're an intelligent, popular human being. I'm actually anti both. What does that make me? :P

No. You're trying to be rid of me just because I have a different opinion to you. Also calling me a bigot simply for having a non-pc, 'controversial' if you like, opinion. That's different to telling me i'm wrong. (Which isn't possible with a subject matter like this) You seem like you want one big happy thread of everyone supporting the OP with no real discussion? :mellow: Not at all, discussion is the reason I created this thread. I simply disagree with the opinions you presented her, especially since they aren't based on anything other than your own instinct. As are many opinions.. It's not a crime that i'm not going to waste time looking into something to prove a point, because that's not why i'm here. I was here to give my opinion on the subject.

No. You're trying to be rid of me just because I have a different opinion to you. Also calling me a bigot simply for having a non-pc, 'controversial' if you like, opinion. That's different to telling me i'm wrong. (Which isn't possible with a subject matter like this) You seem like you want one big happy thread of everyone supporting the OP with no real discussion? :mellow:

What it comes down to in the end is that people will throw in a baseless statement and disguise it as an "opinions". Voilà, your baseless claim is now untouchable, and you don't have to defend it. So, "gay kids from straight parents are a minority, at least around here anyway. " is a statement of fact, not an opinion. Why would I say something if it wasn't my opinion? That's a pretty stupid idea actually.. Really don't need such crap as above here. We should let bigotted ideas go unchecked and unchallenged? Guy : "Gays dont deserve to be treated the same as straight people" Other guy : "Oh, I respect your opinion, but politely disagree" Have that on cable news channels, it gets into peoples heads that its okay, perpetuates the problem. People can have opinions, but when they start oppressing other people because of those opinions, no. I'm not attacking anyone in particular, like i've said i'm against the whole idea of it. I have no personal problem with Saru or any other gay I know of.

Idk if that comment was meant genuinely or if it was sarcastic but thanks lol, I finally stopped being lazy and finished it off.

Just with your knife* more like.

props. I think this thread kinda shows the backwardness of the mindset. We ( I say we cuz i'm gay, and this thread is pro gay) all preach that people need to be more accepting of people. Specifically those rejected by society, yet no one is accepting Skullys beliefs. I don't mean accept in that you agree, but live and let live. You guys are trying to prove a subjective opinion wrong, which you can't. First of all, ofcourse you can, if facts contradict opinions. Secondly, challenging bigotted opinions can lead to a better environment (for gays, for any race, for the limited, etc, etc). Do you have proof that your opinion of challenging 'bigotted' opinions can lead to a better environment? Maybe you'll see my point now.

How many of you have 100% proven fact behind your arguments then may I ask?

I have backed it up, with more opinions. I'm not about to go out of my way to do a case study to prove an opinion for someone on an internet forum.

Me too and I'm not even Dutch. About time really.

I'm not trying to prove anything, I haven't thrown out any "facts" or "percentages". I'm just stating my opinion which kinda happens in a discussion. And people call me a troll? Lmfao.

To be honest, I don't really know myself how it got into that, I guess i'm thinking that more gay mariages = they adopt or something, but i'll explain that comment for you. I think it is right to be straight and wrong to be gay simply because of nature. How could the human race continue to be superior if there were more and more gay familys popping up everywhere? I mean, kids mimic their parents right? If some kids were to grow up with gay 'parents' then they would probably think this is normal and grow up thinking like this without even considering being straight. I think if kids were to grow up adopted with gay families it would certainly become more of a choice rather than in your head. It's like nature vs nurture for me. Why don't gay kids to straight parents mimic them? Sexual orientation is not a choice. Kids to gay parents will think being gay is normal, but that does not mean they'll grow up to be gay, or that the they'd think being straight is abnormal. Yeah the whole mimic parents and thus becomes a choice argument falls down at the fact straight parents have gay children. Equally the whole not natural argument is flawed in that homosexual behaviour and mating has been observed in nearly every documented species on earth. Sure, but gay kids from straight parents are a minority, at least around here anyway.

Thanks. :D

To be honest, I don't really know myself how it got into that, I guess i'm thinking that more gay mariages = they adopt or something, but i'll explain that comment for you. I think it is right to be straight and wrong to be gay simply because of nature. How could the human race continue to be superior if there were more and more gay familys popping up everywhere? I mean, kids mimic their parents right? If some kids were to grow up with gay 'parents' then they would probably think this is normal and grow up thinking like this without even considering being straight. As for the choice question; I think if kids were to grow up adopted with gay families it would certainly become more of a choice rather than in your head. It's like nature vs nurture for me.

Omfg i'll re upload.

99 #3 Uhm well, people normally thank people so; The only person i'd like to thank is myself, thank you for getting this level and giving myself such an awesome looking cape. :thumbsup: Oh and thanks to Bouwzie, for coming out of retirement for one night only to sell my some gold ammys, and for putting up with me on MSN the whole time. <3: And the outfit; ^Copyrighted. Troll away, I look forward to seeing a list of 1/10's or posts saying how ugly my outfit is. Just remember, if you want to troll - my opinion is the only one that matters. :D Peace

I see what your saying, but, the child will probably grow up thinking it is right to be gay, therefore promoting STDs somewhat. No, I'm fairly certain he's a troll Well if i've pissed you off i've achieved something in my time here. :)

Lmfao kid, anyone can do that. Judging by the scores I get, evidently not, and aren't you 14? Lmfao kid, anyone can get those scores. Lmfao kid.

Lmfao kid, anyone can do that. Judging by the scores I get, evidently not, and aren't you 14?

They lost in the group stages, and some of the people they played should've been a challenge, but their quick attacking power it too much for most teams. I was expecting Argentina to destroy their defence. I guess Argentina just didn't show up. I didn't watch that game though.

Inequality is somewhat decreased. Yay, let's promote aids and children possibly having to grow up without a real mother. Surely a stable family unit is more important than the genders involved. Homosexuality in no way 'promotes' STD's either. Yeah, and I don't think that child will be very stable when he or she starts school, and other kids find out he lives with a gay family. Ok maybe it doesn't promote them, but it definately increases them. Inequality is somewhat decreased. Yay, let's promote aids and children possibly having to grow up without a real mother. Surely a stable family unit is more important than the genders involved. Homosexuality in no way 'promotes' STD's either. Don't feed the troll Logic? Inequality is somewhat decreased. Yay, let's promote aids and children possibly having to grow up without a real mother. I'm not pro-gay marriage as some probably know, but that was a rather obtuse comment and commentary presented like that is key as to why the most intelligent topics on this forum usually deteriorate into repetitive and insulting shouting matches. Obtuse comment? It's called an opinion, I kinda remember a very "obtuse" thread you created, something like "Everybody draw Mohammed day"?

Well didn't I create a masterpiece here.

Inequality is somewhat decreased. Yay, let's promote aids and children possibly having to grow up without a real mother.

People have a right to stand up against something they (and the way nature works, actually) disagree with too.

[cabbage], I may miss part/most of the NL game tommorow. :(