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I dont know what you mean. You say that its way too big and also say you "cant find anything"(dont really know what your saying there).

I guarantee you it is a LOT LOT LOT more than 200 hours to get to all skills maxed in runescape. Probably more like 2000 hours to get 99 in everything.

Ill find some pics of bgs with some of my guys just for fun warrior in 10-19 wsg. came into this one when it was already started 60 priest in AV. I was only in this bg for 2 hours.(note I had less bonus honor than the other people) The other top people had been there nearlyme the whole time(6 hours...see that they have the most bonus honor) just a cool pic of my pally with the king...not many people can find him =D(especially at lvl 47 when there are 61+ elites) me killin ironaya at lvl 47 solo...try that =D pally with pvp armor...character view screen cus i didnt have any others with this tabard me killing the 60 warrior with no armor...was quite funny

I will watch this thread if you have any questions.

NEWS FLASH OF THE DAY!!! Panther and Tiger boss will be nerfed so noobs can get epics too. Cant find the post I saw last night, but it was a Blizz poster. 5 man instances being made harder than MC/BWL cant really be done with the system they have now. The hard part about doing MC/BWL is that you have 10-20 people that know what they are doing, and 20 people that dont and you have to teach before you are successful. So its not gonna happen.

Wow, your numbers are way off. WoW has 4 million subscriber's as of last month. Runescape has like 250,000 I think. And around 2 million player's, they claim. You can't compare WoW and RuneScape. RuneScape gets slaughtered. Oh and you can NOT use auto's and bot's in WoW. And no they do NOT come with the game. They have "macro's" which is a button you make yourself that you can click to, for example, assist someone in killing their target. So rather than clicking that person, then hitting "F" to assist...You just hit your "assist" macro and it locks on the enemy automatically. That is NOT autoing, sorry. If you use auto's, hack's, or anything of the sort, Blizzard bans you instanty. They banned I think 2,000 accounts last month for Speed hacks and stuff. And yes, they will find out. They monitor your computer for them. No, it isn't illegal to monitor your computer for them, either...They told people they were doing it, and that's the only thing they monitor, so it's legal. i didnt sad that all active runescape accounts where member... (and i already sad that i had the wrong info about macro etc.) and i didnt know that wow only was 4mil... but they are all payed... WoW was actually over 5mil before christmas, all paying accounts. has to be near 5.5-6 because christmas brought many players

first off the rogue is a lot higher in damage than the rest of the rogues(explain this then) second wing clip does nothing to a pally(blessing of freedom prevents anything from even being cast on them) third holy shock is 30 seconds...not a long cooldown fourth I can beat any hunter any day on my pally...you have never played one at 60 so how can you say they are so bad? Your statements are utterly [developmentally delayed]ed. Ive never heard someone so ignorant talking about a class they dont play. fifth there are 7+ new raid dungeons coming with the expansion so who cares about bwl/mc when weve already done them anyway? people without the expansion will be able to run them just fine bye bye no reply...no point arguing with someone so ignorant...guess you are righ...rs must be better than wow because of these things(look at topic) also looks like you really really sucked at WoW and are upset at blizz for it lol..have fun peace out

ok my proof showing a rogue doing massive damage doesnt hold up but your word of mouth saying warriors are is better? NO thanks it says 0% to be totally resisted so how is that possible...show some proof proof about that with frostbolts instead of making it up. As soon as they get hit with aspect on they are dazed...are you gonna tell me that they can get away from me hitting them at all with my ranged attacks or melee attacks? no pallies do have ranged attack btw.... let me name them. hammer of justice, holy shock, judgement of command, judgement of righteousness, dynamite(engineering), and repetance...dont make stuff up. you obviously no nothing about pallies or any other class you account for one person, any issue im supporting I am providing proof for. you have provided none. cry more noob...roll a priest if you are so jealous warlocks have a lot more other damage spells than priest so thats why priest have good DOTs. simple only comment about frostbolts on that page is by another user...nothing mentioned about frostbolts by a blizz poster. the released the game originally at lvl 60...increasing it to lvl 70 this year. game isnt finished so if some classes dont have stuff others do, it doesnt mean they never will oh...one of your only references proved to be wrong....mmmkay thanks for trying if it was such a major issue there would be many posts about it oh guess i found what you mean about the resists...quote from blizz why ***** about something they said they are working on and admitted it was a problem. This discussion is about aspects of the game not minor bugs

Im bored of this pointless discussion so Im just gonna respont to your really stupid statments. lol...where did blizz say that epic quests were a mistake? Dont say stuff that you dont have infor to back it up. About the Thunderfury for rogues. http://nurfed.com/(guild that HAS been around forever and HASNT fallen apart) http://nurfed.com/uploads/wow/wow186.jpg Look at that picture. The rogue with thunderfury topped the damage meter on nefarian and did over 10% of the total raid damage. Not good for a rogue eh? Dont say **** if you dont have info to back it up. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/bas ... ances.html Totally wrong lie again. Look there if you want the real info for what 50 resistance is. Its 54% to reduce damage at all for those frostbolts. 0% for frostbolts to be resisted completely.(dont lie dude) Its not even a discussion about it being primary pve or pvp...Guild Wars is a primary pvp game, WoW is a primary PvE game, Runescape is a waste of time as a game. Please tell me how you expect to continuously kite a pally...ever heard of blessing of freedom and cleanse? See...you have to look at things from both sides not one and it makes sense. you are nitpicking about stuff that isnt an issue anyway Oh its not fair...have to change it now WORST ARGUMENT EVER Well since you are all about pvp...shouldnt you have all the nice +dmg gear? your only proof is your opinions...look at my links and you are completely wrong.

If there is more after running ubrs 2000 times like casual players then how can that be considered end-game. They call it end game because its the END and no more content beyond it. What do you recommend them do to cater to casuals? Do you want them to have 5 man instances that can be farmed daily for epics? You said yourself that the content was easy so why dont you get a bunch of casuals and go do it bit by bit? RS pvp cannot be compared to WoW pvp. There arent ranks or ladders or anything to work your way up. The pvp ranking system works the same on pve and pvp servers and it is just as tough to get ranks on either one. The only reason I dont have a rank on my rogue is that I just rolled that char in December so dont expect that for long. I sure was a lot closer to all them after a couple weeks than I was to people in my RS clan after a year. Community in RS is nonexistant and completely uninspiring. Although I do not know most of them in real life, I do know some and in my guild is a group of about 20 rl friends. ummm...lawbringer is good and there are not any higher sets than it in MC. End game guilds are stable if you work at making it that way. You say thats not fun but you think RS is fun? Look at slayer for RS. Months of grinding to get to 85 then you go sit in one room, and kill one type of monster for weeks on end. How is this any more unique of a challenge than going and clearing out a dungeons(mc, bwl, zg, aq, ony) full of unique bosses once a week? It is a common known fact that casters arent gear as gear dependant for weapons as melee classes. You say where is rogue weapon? Well you have the thunderfury(more of a rogue weapon than warrior). Hunters have their quest for the rhok'delar. Priests have the benediction/anathema. Paladins have the sulfuras. Legendary weapons are really a non issue to complain about when most servers have non of them. As far as saying just get dark iron for mc, LOL. Do you even know what it is? It doesnt have any defense and is only used by most people for rag. What does RS have that equals this stuff? They have a whip...oooohhhh....and no raiding. b-e-a-utiful. For one thing the frost resist aura adds 60 which still leaves the rseistance at poor. cry more. So they need to add another talent tree just so that mages can spec that way when they fight pallies? Its called balance...pallies so no dps so they have protections. What does RS have in the means of talent trees? Oh nothing. You make all your accusations like pvp is what wow is all about. ITS NOT. They can use 2 out of their 3 trees and be effective in pvp so what is wrong with that? Oh...so just because your warrior friend can only choose 2 good specs for pvp means druids should be nerfed? That was totally wrong anyway...what is so good about resto for pvp? this is a primary pve game so quit with this bs...when was the last time blizz had a headline "New PVP content!!!!". oh one time when AB was released...primary pve game so cut out this bull that doesnt prove anything anyway. Once again about RS...at least you can choose a class and not just get your ranged skill and call yourself a ranger lmao. ummm..translate that ramble to english and i might be able to respond. I was saying that they can spec however they want for end game or for pve because that is how you are saying it should be... priests are next but didnt you also say that people should be able to spec multiple ways? you are contradicting yourself. yes it is true...and he probably is slow(I beat him 4 times in a row on my pally with nothing but my weapon). and find a GUILD...not a bunch of noobs. You are relating from a position of a person never involved in a true guild that works together well griefing is against the rules btw so you cant really argue that. also outdoor bosses arent insanely hard...most guilds can down them with 20-30 people.(I have seen 30 on az from a new guild) Its part of the balance...in all your "issues" with the game you are only looking at it from one side and not from the other sides. I never came across a hunter on my pally that could beat me consistently let alone "dominate" where are you getting that the attacks should be dodged? when was the last time you saw someone dodge a bullet? thats totally off the wall. So you are saying that hunter attacks should be dodged by everyone because rogues are underpowered agains them? You say this like every hunter always wins agains rogues which is completely false. rogues can do extremely high amounts of burst damage so they are susceptible to attack. quit nitpicking gah... warlocks have lots of other spells that priests dont...your nitpicking is totally INSANE. these are the type of things I hear people whining about on forums beacus they lost a duel they shouldnt have. once again here you are contradicting your belief that people should have a freedom how they spec. for one they cant do all these things at once...second they arent better healers than priests QUIT ****ING NITPICKING ON LITTLE THINGS>>>THEY ARENT EVEN PROBLEMS AND YOU MAKE THEM SOUND GAME-BREAKING so what oh master do you want? should they get a 30 second divine shield? will that make you happy? how about 1 minute? btw...this is wrong...chain fear works on rogues and warriors 4 slowing spells isnt a lot? what other classes have more may I ask? ignite is dispellable but not by everyone...How about we let mages dual wield sulfuras and give them 500 base strength...there are you happy? Oh i know...they can give every race and class the same talents, the same base attributes, and then you have your beloved RUNESCAPE where everyone is the exact same so there is no chance of one tiny thing over powering one person in one type of situation on one continent only it took forever to get through this because reading through your writing is like decoding a different language. You have explained many things to me that tell me that you were never in a good raiding guild. if you were you wouldnt have said most of the things that you had against raiding and group pvp. quit picking out little situations that someone is strong, and not even exploring the other side of it. your debate says nothing.

hmmm thats funny. go look on the warcraft forums and you will see that everyone that isnt an end game player is mad because their main updates deal with endgame(just added a 20 player dungeon, and a new 40 this week) I have NEVER heard anyone say before that endgame is lacking. What is lacking about it? lol...I have a 60 pally named brut on greymane(pve server) that had been ranked in the top 20 pvp until I changed servers. Logged about 45 days played on that char with 30 at lvl 60 also have a 60 rogue on a pvp server(azshara) this is one of the most ignorant things i have ever heard...what makes you say this even? Its fun...and you get good loot...and most guilds dont break up. I would be willing to run mc any day of the week on my pally after being decked out in full lawbringer(epic mc set) You say this bull**** without a bit of info to back it up. What is unbalanced about warrior epic sets(might and wrath since you probably dont even know their names). Arcanist is a bit lacking for mages but what is wrong with might? You cant progress in mc much if you dont get your MT a good bit of the might set. pally - pretty much free to do whatever they want mage - just cant spec fire because how stupid would it be to use fire on fire-based mobs? warrior - spots for all specs here to...whatever they want druid - many go moonkin form because they can do great dps and their +spell crit % is nice...only have to go resto if there is a big lack of healers hunter - whatever they want rogue - again, whatever suits their fance warlock - who cares what they spec really? shaman - much like druids..only forced healing if there is a lack of healers priest - only class that has one tree they should use...why would someone roll a priest if they dont want to heal? thats why they call it a priest genius. ok...so there is one class that is always specced a certain way for end game...OMG ITS BROKE SYSTEM!!>>! that made no sense whatsoever I have played a lvl 60 mage that was ranked #5 for pvp on greymane(name was chilebomb). It kicked [wagon]. One time I was with him he killed a 60 warrior with lvl 1 frostbolts...serious. If you are in a guild just pvp with them and you will get healed...duh. no, you are wrong. Go look at the greymane server forums and the greymane pvp rankings. All the people in the guild crimson(which is my former guild and working on nef right now) are at the top of the rankings. You are totally wrong. And if you are worried about being ganked on outdoor bosses play on a pve server. Thats why one is called """PVP""" Once again...your argument holds no truth. yes it was overpowered...but with it how it was it diding mean that they could beat anyone or any class all the time. Oh now I am getting you...you want yourself to be overpowered and everyone else to get nerfed...making more sense. warlocks are a lot better than shadow priests to have in raids...are you out of your mind? also, before you were saying classes shouldnt be restricted how they spec. now you are saying priests shouldnt be allowed to spec shadow? lol lol...cry more noob. why do you think druids are the hybrid class? because they have options. If this is true then why do most shammies spec resto for raids? Also I have never seen a shammy at the top of the damage meter. Are you just totally making stuff up? in the game...its called chain feer you idiot and why do you say this? they have frost nova, many slowing spells, and ice block. those all improve their survivability. mages dont need to have survivability like pallies when they can 2 shot ignite people(yah i know you probably never could) evasion is wonderful against other rogues, pallies, warriors, shamans, and hunter pets. do you even know what evasion is? why do you want every class to have all the same strengths? what do you do in runescape thats a lot more exciting? oh stumped you! You obviously lacked the skills to be invited into a hardcore raiding guils I have no idea? tell me where I am wrong please...this time it was quite fun when you tried

You just said that over half of the classes are overpowered and that you class is underpowered...what a classic. You, my friend, must be terrible at wow if you really think it is that unbalanced. I have played every class at lvl 60(got a tight group of people and we play each others). It is just embarassing as a wow player to have it compared to RS. You guys havent even discussed end-game(best part of wow that probably none of you have seen). What can be better than getting 40 close friends and going on a raid to a dungeon for 5 hours+ at a time? The satisfaction of downing rag, or nefarion, or outdoor bosses for the first time is soooo great. Any of you that say you played it for a few weeks and quit have no say in how WoW is. You have to experience being in an end-game guild and raiding.

i have about 400 from doing dragon bones