you guys realize rs is meant to attract young people , and by young, i mean inexperienced, closed minded, and yea its all about your perspective.no point in even trying to argue how one should enjoy a game i made my account in 06 and have been diyer ever since. its the way i play games. to each his own ;p i was never inspired by another diy'er, just from my personal experience in diablo 1 and 2, its the only way i can stand these kinds of games :) i enjoyed all my fishing exp, knowing it was going to aid my slayer/boss hunting i enjoyed mining/smithing the 150k + iron knives i used slaying for 99 range most of all, i enjoyed waiting until 80/90 crafting for glory/fury and every gwd run is like christmas for me especially when i did 1000+ solo zilyana kills with monkfish :) and @ people who automatically assume a diy'er has to cut 100k + maples for 99fm/fletch, try and think outside the box, and use the game to its fullest aka MTK, Slayer (mass p ess, as people assume id never mine the p ess needed for 99 rc, ive got nearly 200k banked and wil probobly have 1mil+ P ess eventually, that ill never get around to using) money for con/summ, just do a few clues and youll realize you get rune items out the ass :) oh, i forgot to mention, i average 35k xp per hour. as i've seen in polls on d2jsp rs subforums, thats roughly the average, if not more, than most people's xp / hour :) only difference is i just have a 1.5bil bank and growing but yea, my sig is stats from being 100% diy'er and solo combat in the past 5 years and ive enjoyed every minute of it :)