rainbowbody

This is a reply to "I Don't Care." What I found interesting about the war on bots is that many players became bot vigilantes. They tend to have no real clue and spend much time harassing other players just in case they are a bot. One of my member accounts is a P Mod and the other is not. The P Mod does not get as much of the "testing" by such players, but the one that is not a mod often gets hassled. One of the worst spots that happened is any of the red chin trapping areas. That acct always has to put up with it. Also, calling people a bot seems to be the new pejorative to call other players, replacing noob for some. Red chins have been quite overcrowded for a while, but yesterday I wanted to do that last push to 72 hunting with that acct by doing red chins. I was shocked to find the spot nearest the AKS ring to have only one player in it on the world I was on. So I went about getting my rocks and getting to 72. The other player eventually left. No one else came to share the spot. But there was this one guy who came with a butterfly net and started killing the chins with it. I figured it was another demented bot vigilante, but I razzed them about being an idiot who did not know the difference between a butterfly and a chin. They shortly seemed to exit the world. It is so tiring for honest players to be continually harassed by such vigilantes. It really hurts the game's longer term prospects.

I was trying to find stuff containing a phrase, "bronze dragon" in this case, and could not get any likely guess to work. I then tried to search for dragon in the titles and got no matches. I looked in help and it mentioned "advanced" as a clickable that I never have found. I eventually found this thread. The update has not been made yet, I guess, but you need more fixes I think.

Price manipulation and the merchant clans: One advantage the clans have is that they can watch for the moment of price changes on selected items better than ordinary players and take advantage of the change timing by selling at the moment the change happens before most correct their offers that have gone out of range. You only need one to watch and then trigger the behavior that triggers the manipulation while keeping it mostly between clan members for the ramp up for a sell off at peak. This part of it could be mostly eliminated if Jagex would implement something I have asked for ever since the GE came out. There should be a way to make offers that stay current because they are relative offers pinned to the actual minimum, market and maximum prices plus an offset calculation in the mx + b form, mb giving a percentage offset and b giving a constant offset. Such offers would keep their place in the offer queue. It has always seemed obvious to me that not doing that creates special manipulation conditions that need not be there. But Jagex has never shown any interest in closing this one.

When my grandchildren talked me into playing this back in 2004, I never even turned public chat (only friends) on (nor trade) for several months. Though I had private chat set to friends, only my grandchildren were on the list. I wanted to figure it all out for myself as see how far I could go just making all the stuff I used or getting drops. Eventually I figured out it was too slow that way and that I had to buy some things from others of sell to them some stuff and turned public chat on. I still emphasized doing most myself and working skills together. I chose combat for drops to support skill work. I explored to find good sources and ways to do things together. It was all about the most important experience: knowledge of the game. But things changed in ways that kept invalidating old knowledge, and usually in ways that degraded the game results and invalidated plans. Some things were for genuine reasons such as real world trading and its associated criminal behavior. But most was not. And of course, Jagex played it all very close to the vest. Having to re-explore to find out how we got messed over lately was a real negative influence style of playing. Most recently, they have started another wave of game changes, but they seem to be motivated on reducing the hassle component and there is much more visibility from Jagex about it. Maybe exploring will again become a worthwhile activity.

But I am curious as to what people use as their junk.

I really don't care to play with supposed junk. I have enough trouble with a near full bank all the time as it is. I am disgusted yet again with the design of stuff.

LOL And I was dumb enough to think you could get rental fees straight, right up to the trade limit per hour. I should stop giving Jagex the benefit of the doubt.

Is the junk needed only to get past the hourly trade limit, i.e., to ask for more than that per hour? Or do they apply the 15 minute trade limit to all of a 24 loan, instead of 96 times the 15 minute limit? (one last try to give Jagex the benefit of the doubt)

Oh my. What a hack. I guess I should have expected such a hack. But I gave Jagex the benefit of the doubt.

Also, do you lose the junk to the borrower?

I have a feeling the Jagex manual is woefully inadequate on covering how this works, LOL. Based on what is said above, the trade limit does come into play here. Since the trade limit seems to be for 15 minutes, it is 4 times that per hour. But trade (balance) limits of both players likely affect this. For loans, do they allow an unbalance based on the total length of the loan? That is, is it based on n hours times the hourly trade limit? Jagex has said that loans do not affect the trade limit, but the trade limit does seem to affect loaning. Do you need junk only if you exceed the hourly trade limit? Or is this really strange?

That does not parse, at least not for me.

The lender puts junk in the window? Now I am confused.

Can you get coin, or do people always try to trade junk?

Is there a guide to lending rates for items? I have avoided lending as I have no information on fair pricing. It seems this could be abused easily, even used for wealth transfer. I cannot find any useful guidelines for what to charge or how that works and the manual also seems uninformative. I suspect that you can pay in items or cash, or the lender can demand cash, which may affect the pricing. I do not care to rip off people nor be ripped off, but I have found it hard to do the due diligence that my ethical tendencies require. This could even be something to add to the item database for lendable items. I am more likely to be a lender than a borrower.