obfuscator
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Do people with that mentality not recognize the danger they're putting innocent people in?It's only illegal if you get caught.
Sadly I met a lot of people in college who didn't give a [bleep] about drunk driving. I think the Dunning Kruger Effect is in play a lot of the time here-- these people are so arrogant and lacking in self-awareness that they genuinely believe that they're capable of driving correctly despite being hammered. Unsurprisingly, most of those people ended up with DUIs by the time they graduated. Some even got multiple DUIs. :wall:
i've seen this more with weed now than alcohol
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And I would say you're just as wrong about "drunk driving culture." Into my 20s, I honestly believed that drinking and driving was normal.
Sure, I had that one uncle who hasn't had a license in decades and just got caught again; his problem wasn't drinking and driving, just that he'd chosen the wrong roads or shouldn't have taken a car with one headlight out.
My sister's boyfriend would run up the old railroad tracks. He rolled a truck with her in it not a week after buying it, and was back to doing the same thing with a beater car within a month. She kept going along.
Cops were a hazard, but you just had to get good at avoiding them or good at losing them.
It wasn't until I moved away that I realized how [bleep]ed up that was.
Don't take this the wrong way, but what redneck-cousin humping-wife beating trailer park did you grow up in? That is seriously not normal at all outside of poor and uneducated places. What you describe basically sounds like Ricky from Trailer Park Boys.
ehh a lot of people in the US are still poor and uneducated, so I can believe him, even if it's only anecdotal
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It exists in certain contexts such as, like you said, individual freedom (people know stealing is wrong, generally). However, there are instances like what I was referring to earlier (college parties)
where consent is seen as a "blurred line".
do you think consent is black and white in every scenario, practically speaking?
In what I stated, having consent being a part of teaching from a young age
(they were referring to consent with regards to other's peoples bodies), it is one of those concepts that will follow them later in life as it is a behavioural skill taught from a young age.
Keep in mind, this was done in consultation with experts in education and healthcare and was not done on a whim.
I agree, but don't think it's anything new - it's a basic thing you teach your children, along with "don't bite", and "don't pull hair".
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Wheras I'm unconvinced that they are in fact more successful than other men who are just as persistent/good looking/whatever, but who don't assume secret "biological" reasons behind all of a woman's actions.
And we can debate this until the cows come jome, but neither one of us intends to go looking for proof that will be sufficiently convincing to the other. Thus, agree to disagree.
fair enough, but then what does it matter? if all the public signs are the same, is it meaningful that some people think about what they're doing, and to others it comes naturally?
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And I would say you're just as wrong about "drunk driving culture." Into my 20s, I honestly believed that drinking and driving was normal.
Sure, I had that one uncle who hasn't had a license in decades and just got caught again; his problem wasn't drinking and driving, just that he'd chosen the wrong roads or shouldn't have taken a car with one headlight out.
My sister's boyfriend would run up the old railroad tracks. He rolled a truck with her in it not a week after buying it, and was back to doing the same thing with a beater car within a month. She kept going along.
Cops were a hazard, but you just had to get good at avoiding them or good at losing them.
It wasn't until I moved away that I realized how [bleep]ed up that was.
again, anecdotal evidence. I have no doubt that some people, somewhere, think drunk driving is a-okay (in fact I've met one or two). But when you're describing a cultural phenomenon, it isn't enough to provide isolated examples, you have to demonstrate that a significant number of people feel this way
DD is also not the best example, because it's a field where we've had legitimate improvements in science and statistics to make it clear that there is a problem. Some of that takes time to develop
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I was not referring to simply a poster. Those are meaningless. I meant more ingrained such as what was included in the original sex-ed curriculum Ontario that begins to talk about consent at a young age to make it a regular part of life growing up. This can be substantiated by normalizing consent in other ways.Do you suppose that many people who are willing to rape are going to be deterred by a poster saying to ask for consent?
even here you're using loaded terminology: "normalizing consent". Consent (in anything, not just sex) is already normal, and it already has been. That's what modern civilized society exists to protect - individual freedom to do and not do what you want
I'm glad you agree posters are useless, I certainly see plenty of them on college campuses (supposed hotspots of "rape culture"). What specifically do you think is effective about ontario's former sex-ed curriculum that is likely to make a tangible difference?
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Or they're lucky, or they're throwing lots of spaghetti at the wall, or the thing they're doing is effective not for the reason they think, or their predatory tactics are effective but harmful to the women they date, or there's a survivor's bias in reports, or any number of other reasons. It's hard to know whether their tactics are effective for the stated reason or not without some kind of scientific evidence.
Possible, but occam's razor applies here...if they are successful with women, it's most likely because they generally understand them
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Was going to wait until I got home and could use a keyboard, but in short, I think there's a lot of unsubstantiated claims about how women think being made by individuals who have no authority to know how women think, which is what a lot of PUA boils down to imo.
Don't you think it's a bit silly for Ginger to call it "obvious and reasonable" when it's only obvious and reasonable to you guys? If it were "obvious and reasonable" we wouldn't be discussing this.
I dunno, I feel Ginger hit my point pretty square on the head.
I don’t think you understand what we were discussingJust to rewind (and de-escalate this rather silly row), no one actually said: "stick with someone even when they're not offering what you're expecting from a relationship, in the hope that one day they will". One fellow TIFer, who happens to be female, simply asked that you stopped assuming Statement X was a manipulation of Statement Y based on nothing else except the gender of the person saying it.
Seemed like a pretty obvious and reasonable request to me and I think most people outside of this place, especially women, could empathise with that.
In any case, it looks like this conversation is heading in a direction I don't really wanna take it, so I'm gonna back out and "agree to disagree" as the saying goes.
Given the fact that neither of you really responded to my clarification, I'm assuming you either more-or-less agree with me or you can't argue otherwise. If you're gonna agree to disagree, that's fine, but I'd appreciate it if you provided the rationale behind doing so.
I mean, if they're getting results, then that's a pretty clear indication that they do (on average) understand women sufficiently to get laid
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Right, and I'm also not saying rape doesn't exist - clearly it does. But the vast majority of people see it as a serious and perverse crime, which is not what would be expected if society supposedly sees it as normal
And you know that because it's strongly supported by tons of statistical data and research, which the scientific community more or less unanimously agrees with
I don't know anyone who was killed by a drunk driver, but I know better than to suggest drunk driving isn't dangerous.your anecdotal evidence isn't proof of a culture-wide problem. I can also provide anecdotal evidence that I don't know a single person who thinks being married means you can't be raped, or that people deserve the be assaulted because of the circumstantial particulars
I would equally say that it's obvious we don't live in a "drunk driving culture", the vast majority of people see it as immoral and it is regularly prosecuted as a crime with severe penalties
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(Presumably) cis men telling women that rape culture doesn't exist? How refreshing.
ahh yes because if you have the wrong organ between your legs, facts are no longer relevant.
and in this very topic, you (presumably also a cis man) have been opining on how women think at great length
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reddit is not too bad for long posts anymore
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we're done people
I guess you should get out of this thread's Radius
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rape culture is such a vague term that it effectively has no verifiable meaning. I can certainly agree that some things exist people might say constitute rape culture, but a whole bunch more are nonsense.
also *ideally* is the key word, and I'm not sure it's realistic. as long as people have sex drives, there will be rapists