gorgoroth

Its better to see the hypocracy than to explain it. I live in a Muslim country so i witness the hypocracy every day. I see Arabs drinking alcohol and smoking, i see them breaking their "dress code" i see them preaching in churches about "how USA deserves their current state and how they deserve 9/11 and tornados because they believe in a false god". And then i see them go out and break their own rules, i see them suicide bombing.

Funny, i have a lot of Muslim friends that will gladly prove you wrong. Also, your last sentence is just stupid -.-. Ofcourse we don't hear ACTUALL voices. Christian =/= Nutcase. And its different in many ways. Rules, practice, theory.

you are just being a troll. But to answer your question. Got is good and fair and just. He will grant your prayer if he believes you need or deserve it. And yes, i expect another insulting comment on what i just said.

No, although Allah means God most Muslims will argue that they are not the same. Also the God of Jews is NOT the god of Christians. They do not believe in the Son of God and we do. Oh and trust me, Islam is built on hypocracy. This i can tell you as a certain fact.

I've asked myself that many times. And for a long time i thought about converting to Islam. And i've also thought about becoming Athiest. But truth of the matter is. I went through a very rough time from about 2002 - 2007. Life was hard for me and my family. I lost religion after believing in God for 12 years (i was brought up as a Christian ever since i can remember). Then matter got worse. Much worse. I decided to talk to God. If He didn't listen then fine, but lucky for me He did. I now have a great life. Where 5 years ago we were on the verge of losing our house we now own properties in several countries. Sure, you might argue that it was "fate", but i'll always say that God heard my prayers. After something as emotional as that its hard for me NOT to be a Christian. This is the only thing that irks me about religious people. Go out and make your own destiny. Wouldn't you rather be able to be proud of yourself and say that you accomplished something rather than just, oh, God heard my prayers and allowed me to accomplish it? And how do yuo know it wasn't Allah who heard and granted your prayers? Ofcourse not all the credit goes to God. Trust me i feel great after doing something ive always wanted, or getting something, and for me there is no greater pleasure than ro shout up to the heavens and thank God. I know that this does not fully answer your question, but to me there is no greater satisfaction in achieving something i know God will be proud of. And also, i did not pray onto Allah, so he has no reason to listen to me :P Hah, i can't really answer that question with a serious answer. Best answer i can offer is that i don't believe in Allah so i have no reason to believe he will ever listen to my prayers. Very close-minded, i know.

I've asked myself that many times. And for a long time i thought about converting to Islam. And i've also thought about becoming Athiest. But truth of the matter is. I went through a very rough time from about 2002 - 2007. Life was hard for me and my family. I lost religion after believing in God for 12 years (i was brought up as a Christian ever since i can remember). Then matter got worse. Much worse. I decided to talk to God. If He didn't listen then fine, but lucky for me He did. I now have a great life. Where 5 years ago we were on the verge of losing our house we now own properties in several countries. Sure, you might argue that it was "fate", but i'll always say that God heard my prayers. After something as emotional as that its hard for me NOT to be a Christian. Also Budism is not a religion, and the reason for me not being Islam is because its a religion based on hypocracy and slander. Oh and as i has mentioned i belive religion should be a choice and Islam makes it something forced upon you.

Like i said, false prophets. Its like wearing a Slayer shirt when all toghether you really hate Metal. So you're saying that every Christian who ever does a bad thing didn't love Jesus at all and was just jumping on a bandwagon to fit in? Thats rediculous. Just accept it - Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics - everyone has the capability of doing bad things. The argument that as soon as they do something wrong they're no longer a Christian is a cop out. Sure, there's no religion to stop us, but my post was to argue why that doesn't necessarily matter. However, it would be entirely reasonable to say that without specific religious rules, there is no barrier to often-indulged-in acts like drinking, smoking and sex. It doesn't bother me though, because I'm fine with all of those things, within reason. Ofcourse im not saying that if you do a bad deed youre not a Christian. I know we do bad things. Its human nature. But i am trying to make the point that just because you grow up in a religios environment does not make you a religios person. I can walk around saying i'm fat even though i weigh 130 pound. saying im fat wont make me fat unless i do something about it.

Religion doesn't stop millions of Christians (and people of other religions) from doing those things. If religion is the only thing stopping you from doing those thing anyway, you are messed up. In some ways it does. As a christian i am not allowed to do anything that may change my body. Therefor drinking which affects my liver and Smoking which affects my lungs are a no no. Also pre-maritial sex is another no no. I'm still trying to figure out exactly why though. EDIT: I can assure you that in no way am i messed up. I have done everything i am not supposed to and i do them no longer. Why? In some ways its out of respect for my God and in other ways just because i dont enjoy them. Nothing messed up about that.

Like i said, false prophets. Its like wearing a Slayer shirt when all toghether you really hate Metal.

Ofcourse there isnt any official text. Nothing about Athiesm really is official. Its the "do what ever you want" religion. It has no boundies, no rights and no wrongs. That, in my opinion is a flaw. No rules cause people to run amuck (i know its not the right spelling but you know what i mean :P). And i'm sure you know what i mean by this statement? That isn't true at all. Atheists don't murder or steal any more than Christians do. And "do whatever you want" isn't a part of atheism. What some people need to understand here is that atheism is a lack of belief in a god/s, and nothing more (there's also the belief that god/s don't exist, but it's less common). There are no rules, no do's or donts, no rights or wrongs. However, this doesn't mean atheists will automatically run around killing people or doing other horrible things. Firstly, we have to law to worry about (well, "worry" perhaps isn't the best word to use - in many cases I think the laws we must abide by are entirely justified). Second, there seems to be this biological barrier to murder, stealing, or other commonly accepted wrongs. I liken it to a disgust reaction and would argue it could be an evolutionary adaptation to surviving (and flourishing) as a social species. Trust me gorgoroth, you dont have anything to worry about with atheists. Most of the time we just want to live our lives in peace like everyone else. Hah, i think you might have misunderstood me with the "do ehwhatever you like" part. I'm not saying you are gonna go around killing, stealing, etc. Im just saying that if you wanted too you had no religion to stop you. Also by "doing what you want" i refer more to drinking, smoking, having sexual relations...things like that.

Ofcourse there isnt any official text. Nothing about Athiesm really is official. Its the "do what ever you want" religion. It has no boundies, no rights and no wrongs. That, in my opinion is a flaw. No rules cause people to run amuck (i know its not the right spelling but you know what i mean :P). And i'm sure you know what i mean by this statement? Aethism is not a religion. Way of life, if you like.

Ofcourse there isnt any official text. Nothing about Athiesm really is official. Its the "do what ever you want" religion. It has no boundies, no rights and no wrongs. That, in my opinion is a flaw. No rules cause people to run amuck (i know its not the right spelling but you know what i mean :P). And i'm sure you know what i mean by this statement? That isn't true at all. Atheists don't murder or steal any more than Christians do. No they don't. But please do remember that saying you are a Christian does not mean you ARE one. A true Christian would never murder, unless it is required for the sake of his life. I'm sure you know what i mean when i say there are alot of false prophets. Christians who murder, rape and steal are a great example of false prophets.

Ofcourse there isnt any official text. Nothing about Athiesm really is official. Its the "do what ever you want" religion. It has no boundies, no rights and no wrongs. That, in my opinion is a flaw. No rules cause people to run amuck (i know its not the right spelling but you know what i mean :P). And i'm sure you know what i mean by this statement?

I think we can draw a line under this. It's not interesting anymore. Hah, i'm making it sound like Christianity is a sham. as a last thought i would like to add this: Even though i admit that christianity has its flaws (be it because of my lack in understanding or because some of it just doesn't add up), it is not the only theory or religion with flaws. Islam is a religion full of flaws (i have witnessed the islam religion first hand, and i still am), Athiesm has its flaws and so does the Big Bang theory and Judaism (sp?). So like i said, it might have its flaws but its that bed time story i call a Bible that has helped me though hell and back. Name one flaw or contradiction in atheism. Well, Athiests believe in no God therefor they should not be bothered by any religion nor any God yet they always seem to find a way to convince everyone (and themselve it seems) that there is no such thing as a God. This i see as one of the most common flaws. Why try and PROVE there is no God when you really know/believe nothing about God('s) of any form... The problem there is that certain people tend to try and convince atheists that there is a God, thus that "flaw" is nullified. True, and so does the Muslims tell their followers that each and every other religion is false. Believe me i can tell you some funny stories about what they Msulim preachers preach about. And i am sure its the same with the Jews. They also try and convince others that their religion is pure. Like i said each religion has flaws. As a side note, i believe that Islam is the most forcefull when it comes to convincing.

I think we can draw a line under this. It's not interesting anymore. Hah, i'm making it sound like Christianity is a sham. as a last thought i would like to add this: Even though i admit that christianity has its flaws (be it because of my lack in understanding or because some of it just doesn't add up), it is not the only theory or religion with flaws. Islam is a religion full of flaws (i have witnessed the islam religion first hand, and i still am), Athiesm has its flaws and so does the Big Bang theory and Judaism (sp?). So like i said, it might have its flaws but its that bed time story i call a Bible that has helped me though hell and back. Name one flaw or contradiction in atheism. I'd also be interested in hearing your flaw in the Big bang. As a Christian that is the worst possible question you could have asked me. All of my answers whould be religion based which to you will seem unaplicable. So i will not jusdtify your question with an answer. EDIT: Its not that i WONT but rather that i WONT BE ABLE to.

I think we can draw a line under this. It's not interesting anymore. Hah, i'm making it sound like Christianity is a sham. as a last thought i would like to add this: Even though i admit that christianity has its flaws (be it because of my lack in understanding or because some of it just doesn't add up), it is not the only theory or religion with flaws. Islam is a religion full of flaws (i have witnessed the islam religion first hand, and i still am), Athiesm has its flaws and so does the Big Bang theory and Judaism (sp?). So like i said, it might have its flaws but its that bed time story i call a Bible that has helped me though hell and back. Name one flaw or contradiction in atheism. Well, Athiests believe in no God therefor they should not be bothered by any religion nor any God yet they always seem to find a way to convince everyone (and themselve it seems) that there is no such thing as a God. This i see as one of the most common flaws. Why try and PROVE there is no God when you really know/believe nothing about God('s) of any form...

[hide=] Well you're always asking how you can becomesocially normal, and here you had the perfect chance for some social interaction, and you go ahead do do that ^, whatever the hell the that was...Now you just look like a crazy person to them, and you wonder why people avoid? They probably think you're pretty queer if you behave like that. You really need to start helping yourself. There is nothing wrong with being an introvert. I myself am very shy, especially around people i don't know and my social life is perfectly normal. There's a difference between being shy and acting like a [bleep]ing moron when you get the chance to be social with someone. And right now you are acting like the Bleep-ing moron. Being mean to someone because they are shy really does not improve the matter. Some people are really paranoid and insecure. Psychology 101 my friend. I understand that, it's just he [bleep]es and gets angry about it all the time, then complains about [bleep]ing up in an easy to handle situation like that. I was being too mean though. [/hide]Welll my comments are really just baes on his last post. I haven't really read any of his others but if it is as you say and he always complains about screwing up then it could be a way of attention seeking. I might be wrong.

[hide=] Well you're always asking how you can becomesocially normal, and here you had the perfect chance for some social interaction, and you go ahead do do that ^, whatever the hell the that was...Now you just look like a crazy person to them, and you wonder why people avoid? They probably think you're pretty queer if you behave like that. You really need to start helping yourself. There is nothing wrong with being an introvert. I myself am very shy, especially around people i don't know and my social life is perfectly normal. There's a difference between being shy and acting like a [bleep]ing moron when you get the chance to be social with someone. [/hide]And right now you are acting like the Bleep-ing moron. Being mean to someone because they are shy really does not improve the matter. Some people are really paranoid and insecure. Psychology 101 my friend.

I think we can draw a line under this. It's not interesting anymore. Hah, i'm making it sound like Christianity is a sham. as a last thought i would like to add this: Even though i admit that christianity has its flaws (be it because of my lack in understanding or because some of it just doesn't add up), it is not the only theory or religion with flaws. Islam is a religion full of flaws (i have witnessed the islam religion first hand, and i still am), Athiesm has its flaws and so does the Big Bang theory and Judaism (sp?). So like i said, it might have its flaws but its that bed time story i call a Bible that has helped me though hell and back.

Well you're always asking how you can becomesocially normal, and here you had the perfect chance for some social interaction, and you go ahead do do that ^, whatever the hell the that was...Now you just look like a crazy person to them, and you wonder why people avoid? They probably think you're pretty queer if you behave like that. You really need to start helping yourself. There is nothing wrong with being an introvert. I myself am very shy, especially around people i don't know and my social life is perfectly normal.

Read some anthropology and biology textbooks - I assure you, your questions have answers. Even if they did not, do you think it's acceptable to say "I don't understand this, so this supports my position!"? Of course it's not acceptable - Don't do it. I know what the Bible says, and so I know that it says that I am to be damned for all eternity. I find the suggestion insulting because the authority on which it is based is highly questionable. I might think you are wrong, but I am without the luxury of divine assurance. I had to take anthroplogy as an extra subject last year for pshycholocy. Not really anything that caught my eye. Very boring subject for me. Therefor i am not going to try disprove your point. Also, my religion teaches me that it is the way, the truth, the only way of being saved. Sure, you might think that what i say is based on an old book writen by men many years ago but i can assure you that from personal experience, things that have happened to me in my life, have taught me that there must be some sort of God. This obviously puts me in the state of mind that i am right, you are wrong. Sure, it is flawed in many ways but being human like all the rest of you i close my eyes and look past the flaws. I don't want to have the slightest thought of God being fake to enter my mind. Not after all He has done for me.

Today i finished my last exam of my first year Criminal Law student :thumbup: Also i quit my job. Why work for a living if my parents pay for everything?

Alright, that's my mistake. I won't be written off as someone who would misrepresent an argument, so I apologise for misreading. My point stands, however. A god of the gaps argument just doesn't fly. If god can't be disproven, then he can't be proven to exist either - Falsifiability is key. Trust stemming from what? Why believe what you believe other than because it feels right? If someone wants to believe in god because it feels right to them - fine, that is absolutely their right. The problem is that people don't just say that this is the case and instead try to pervert science to give themselves some credibility. As for the quote, it's a juvenille analogy at best, and it fails to mention that sometimes chairs break when you sit in them. My, my. I'm sorry - You'll really need to read something about the development of humans as a species. The questions you're asking are extremely rudimentary and they just show a complete lack of understanding on your side. As for this... ... This is a disgusting thing to read, and if revelling in the thought of someone being consigned to eternal damnation is the moral standard your church sets then it is disgusting too. I think my questions are very valid. Maybe you just don't have the right answers? And my Bible knowledge isnt 100% this time of the night so i won't be able to give you a quote but i will however be able to give a summary of what is said: The only way into heaven is through God Himself. I am guuessing this means that without religion eternal damnation awaits. Its not just my church, its my religion. BUT, it also says God i just. So who am i to say that just because you're not christian you go to hell? Typical example: What happens to a new born that dies? It never knew anything about God or the world. Does it go to heaven? Does it go to hell? Sure, my words were rude, disrespectfull, stupid and harsh, but as i said its all because of pride. No one wants to be wrong. If anyone was offended by that then i am sorry.

You say this as if it matters. I see. And how would you reccomend going about this? Whoah man, like you said, I'm only in the 8th grade, you should probably dumb that down a bit. When did I say that? Sorry. I was making a point. He said he was living his life to the fullest. I pointed out that he spends several hours each week in a Church, when he could be curing cancer or something like that. Then leave? I promised myself i would not do this, but i just can't stop myself. Haha Rocco you just totally proved Saruman right about the fact that you are immature. You're making a complete fool out of yourself :thumbup: Jesus loves you bro! I take pride in my immaturity. Allows me to dissassociate myself from the average TIFer. Oh no, quite the oppisite. It makes you part of the majority. Just another sheep in the herd. Baahh Don't you think making animal noises is a litte bit... immature? And no, it does not make me the majority of TIFers. Most TIFers are in late high school or uni. Cool story bro :thumbup:

You say this as if it matters. I see. And how would you reccomend going about this? Whoah man, like you said, I'm only in the 8th grade, you should probably dumb that down a bit. When did I say that? Sorry. I was making a point. He said he was living his life to the fullest. I pointed out that he spends several hours each week in a Church, when he could be curing cancer or something like that. Then leave? I promised myself i would not do this, but i just can't stop myself. Haha Rocco you just totally proved Saruman right about the fact that you are immature. You're making a complete fool out of yourself :thumbup: Jesus loves you bro! I take pride in my immaturity. Allows me to dissassociate myself from the average TIFer. Oh no, quite the oppisite. It makes you part of the majority. Just another sheep in the herd. Baahh