Romy

I think what we should be asking ourselves is- Did God create mankind or did mankind create God?

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Why would a perfect entity do that though?

I'm better than you because neither did I, which makes you dumb for saying you're better than me because you didn't repeat yourself, which also makes me smarter that you! Ha!

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I'm better than you because my father is perfectly sane!

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter. If we have a philosophy subforum then why not a psychology subforum or a forum just for news articles or a forum for religion, etc. etc. I just don't see a philosophy subforum as necessary or particularly successful. I think religion, to some extent, belongs under Philosophy. As for the others, because they're not that popular. I can't see a Psychology sub-forum popular at all for instance.

Why did God create that urge then?

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I'm better than you because you're both repetitively boring and boringly repetitive at the same time.

I'm better than you because I only post where the cool kids post. 8-) 8-) :P

I beg the differ, there's quite a bit discussion over Philosophy, and from what I've seen the TIFers like it. If anything, I think a Philosphy sub-forum is more likely to lower idiot-calling over Philosophy, because the ones to go there would usualy be those who are interested in mature discussions methinks :^_^: . While those mature enough to handle philosophical discussions, there's quite a large number of immature tifer's who'd go there solely to call people idiots because it gives them a good feeling that they obviously aren't receiving in real life. That's your opinion. I think the Off-Topic section is one that many mature TIFers go to, and a Philosophy sub-forum would narrow it down even more. Surely some idiots would do as you said, but nothing more than any other forum/sub-forum. I added a question to the main post for any Mods willing to answer. Thanks in advance.

I'm better than you because I post in 3 :D!

I'm better than you because if FSM was a pokemon it'd be the best with it's magical appendage! W00t!

I'm better than you because I understand the concept of variation!

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Guess what, your answer would change, You wouldn't be happy with your life if you just lost money when someone asked, you'd be sad/mad about the money. It's something subjective, and it changes with people very easily. It's something you can compare to the tv stars, and think you're not really happy compared to what you could be. Or you could compare it to someone worth less than you, and think you're happier than you are. It's something that can't be accurately measured. You don't understand how complex things like this are, because happiness is not something that easy to understand. No, you may not be happy, but you'd still be happy about your life[/i[ even if you lost 20$. I hate repeating myself, but the fact that happiness is measured individualy by each person does not matter, because on the bottom line, if they define themselves as happy, it's because they are. To make sure we avoid more misunderstandings, I'll rephrase my initial statement- Religous people are more likely to define themselves as happy. I think your problem with that statement is your (possibly just) hatred towards religion which gets you annoyed when shown in a good light. You must remember that the fact that religous are more likely to be happy (or define themselves as happy for what it's worth), isn't necessarily good, I'd even call it bad. It's just like the example I gave, a drunk person is more likely to find joy in things, but I'd rather be sober most of the time. Please understand that the fact religous people are more likely to define themsleves as happy (about their lives...) has good reasoning behind it. A person who thinks someone is out there for them, that they're eventualy going to exist in Heaven, that a perfect entity is on their side, would likely make them happier. There's nothing "insane" about it. I'm actually more annoyed about it being called a fact than it having anything to do with religion. What I'm saying is, emotions are not something that are a constant. When you're happy about something, you're going to probably be thinking about the positive things. Whenever you lose some money though, you're going to be sad/mad. Then there's probably a high chance you'll think about other things that have gone wrong recently, and think you're life isn't that great. It's different for everyone. That makes it difficult for it to be studied, and anyone who actually understands what they're doing would never publish it as a fact. I'm happy with the idea that should I die, nothing happens. Other people who don't believe in God could also be happy knowing their body will continue on forever through multiple processes, such as when it decays it becomes nutrients for trees. How happy it makes people depends on their personal views, which once again makes a study on happiness very hard. And that's why I rephrased and said they're more likely to define themselves as happy. Now we're arguing over nothing, really.

I went to a Christian School for over eight years, to even pass a grade you MUST pass Bible class. In all those years, I didn't learn as much from the Bible as I should have, because they ignored some of the most important parts. I was born gay, but God wants me to die because he created me this way. "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)". Hell, I probably know more about the Bible than you do, and it's that reason that the God from the Bible disgusts me. The hypocrisy is just insane, and the amount of people he commands to be murdered is also insane. If there was proof God existed and he loved me, then this situation would be completely different. Problem: it's not, and it's not going to be changing (because God hasn't bothered doing anything in the last 2k years apparently). Dude, I'm gay as well. God doesn't hate us at all. I used to hate God because I thought he hated me, but he doesn't! I can post numerous links about facts that GOd doesn't hate gay people. And no, you probably don't know more than me. (Just saying) For starters: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian Do you still think God hates you? And if your background is the way it really is, then it sounds like you still know God exists, but pretends that he doesn't in hopes he will go away. (just my $.02) P.s. sorry if I came off as a douche, I probably did. I'm just sick of people claiming to have read the Bible, when its obvious they haven't they just want to appear more knowledgeable. That's totally wrong. I'm 100% certain Rex doesn't believe in any deity. The fact that one has a religous background (such as myself by the way) does not mean one can't be an atheist. IMO, it's on the contrary- after you've been there and realized some things it's more legitimate for you to adhere your opinion than one who's only been to one side. I'm sure Rex is going to present his opinions better than I could (it's his opinions after all), I just feel you're trying to force your opinion on others... I mean "it sounds like you still know God exists, but pretends that he doesn't in hopes he will go away." that's rather off. Many atheists have religous pasts/backgrounds and same works the other way around. Just my .02$ implies opinion, so of course I can be wrong. Not saying I was right, just my opinion. And no I'm not trying to force my religion on anyone more then you are by having that signature. So your opinion is that Rex is afraid of God because he's afraid he could be wrong? Wow, I'm not even going to go there then, I'll leave it to Rex. As for your signature comment.... Just... Lol.... My signature is nothing more than opinion-stating. If anyone wishes to look into it, they may, if not, they may not aswell. Telling someone his opinion is wrong, and that he's afraid he'd be drawn to the other side of the scales, especialy after you've seen how strongly he feels about his opinion seems (to me) like forcing your own opinion. As to the first section, I've found it quite common people don't like to be proven wrong. Second, please stop with the condescending attitude. On another note: I really see the irony in the fact you said your signature is "just an opinion" And I never said what he thought was wrong, I stated my opinion. Also, do you not see the hypocrisy in the fact you quoted my post calling my opinion wrong, because I spoke for him (in a sense) then just did the same to me now? Now, if you insist on trying to find something offensive about everything I post, well cbf'd. Besides, I don't care what Rex believes (no offense Rex) I was just posting my opinion. Good grief Romy, I've encountered many Atheists who say that they believe God is real, but refuse to follow him because they don't like him or something. I was wondering if this was the case; next time, let Rex speak for himself. I don't have a condescending attitude, or atleast don't feel like I do. I re-read my post and couldn't find it. Weird you feel that way. The only part I could possibly find it is when your signature comment made me laugh- I just found the absurdity in your saying that "it sounds like you still know God exists" and then "I'm not trying to force my religion on anyone more then you are by having that signature" because my signature is a statement about myself, while yours is about someone else. Also, how did I speak for you exactly? Lastly, those you've met are not atheists, they're agnostics. Anyone who believes any divine entity exists is automaticly not an atheist. I believe I already quoted Wikipedia about the definition of atheism here. EDIT: And here it is again-

I went to a Christian School for over eight years, to even pass a grade you MUST pass Bible class. In all those years, I didn't learn as much from the Bible as I should have, because they ignored some of the most important parts. I was born gay, but God wants me to die because he created me this way. "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)". Hell, I probably know more about the Bible than you do, and it's that reason that the God from the Bible disgusts me. The hypocrisy is just insane, and the amount of people he commands to be murdered is also insane. If there was proof God existed and he loved me, then this situation would be completely different. Problem: it's not, and it's not going to be changing (because God hasn't bothered doing anything in the last 2k years apparently). Dude, I'm gay as well. God doesn't hate us at all. I used to hate God because I thought he hated me, but he doesn't! I can post numerous links about facts that GOd doesn't hate gay people. And no, you probably don't know more than me. (Just saying) For starters: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian Do you still think God hates you? And if your background is the way it really is, then it sounds like you still know God exists, but pretends that he doesn't in hopes he will go away. (just my $.02) P.s. sorry if I came off as a douche, I probably did. I'm just sick of people claiming to have read the Bible, when its obvious they haven't they just want to appear more knowledgeable. That's totally wrong. I'm 100% certain Rex doesn't believe in any deity. The fact that one has a religous background (such as myself by the way) does not mean one can't be an atheist. IMO, it's on the contrary- after you've been there and realized some things it's more legitimate for you to adhere your opinion than one who's only been to one side. I'm sure Rex is going to present his opinions better than I could (it's his opinions after all), I just feel you're trying to force your opinion on others... I mean "it sounds like you still know God exists, but pretends that he doesn't in hopes he will go away." that's rather off. Many atheists have religous pasts/backgrounds and same works the other way around. Just my .02$ implies opinion, so of course I can be wrong. Not saying I was right, just my opinion. And no I'm not trying to force my religion on anyone more then you are by having that signature. So your opinion is that Rex is afraid of God because he's afraid he could be wrong? Wow, I'm not even going to go there then, I'll leave it to Rex. As for your signature comment.... Just... Lol.... My signature is nothing more than opinion-stating. If anyone wishes to look into it, they may, if not, they may not aswell. Telling someone his opinion is wrong, and that he's afraid he'd be drawn to the other side of the scales, especialy after you've seen how strongly he feels about his opinion seems (to me) like forcing your own opinion.

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I beg the differ, there's quite a bit discussion over Philosophy, and from what I've seen the TIFers like it. If anything, I think a Philosophy sub-forum is more likely to lower idiot-calling over Philosophy, because the ones to go there would usualy be those who are interested in mature discussions methinks :^_^: .

This, lol.

I went to a Christian School for over eight years, to even pass a grade you MUST pass Bible class. In all those years, I didn't learn as much from the Bible as I should have, because they ignored some of the most important parts. I was born gay, but God wants me to die because he created me this way. "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)". Hell, I probably know more about the Bible than you do, and it's that reason that the God from the Bible disgusts me. The hypocrisy is just insane, and the amount of people he commands to be murdered is also insane. If there was proof God existed and he loved me, then this situation would be completely different. Problem: it's not, and it's not going to be changing (because God hasn't bothered doing anything in the last 2k years apparently). Dude, I'm gay as well. God doesn't hate us at all. I used to hate God because I thought he hated me, but he doesn't! I can post numerous links about facts that GOd doesn't hate gay people. And no, you probably don't know more than me. (Just saying) For starters: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian Do you still think God hates you? And if your background is the way it really is, then it sounds like you still know God exists, but pretends that he doesn't in hopes he will go away. (just my $.02) P.s. sorry if I came off as a douche, I probably did. I'm just sick of people claiming to have read the Bible, when its obvious they haven't they just want to appear more knowledgeable. That's totally wrong. I'm 100% certain Rex doesn't believe in any deity. The fact that one has a religous background (such as myself by the way) does not mean one can't be an atheist. IMO, it's on the contrary- after you've been there and realized some things it's more legitimate for you to adhere your opinion than one who's only been to one side. I'm sure Rex is going to present his opinions better than I could (it's his opinions after all), I just feel you're trying to force your opinion on others... I mean "it sounds like you still know God exists, but pretends that he doesn't in hopes he will go away." that's rather off. Many atheists have religous pasts/backgrounds and same works the other way around.

Everything else? On the general Off-Topic board there are more none-Philosophy threads than Philosophy threads, and yet there are quite a few, IMO enough for a sub-forum.