skinnymage

I am really bored of training magic, anybody wana brawl? I'm going to play it now

yea, but most high tier charecters are very hard to [bleep]e, most of all, GAW

Ganon because extremely sucky in brawl, but you still can't beat his [bleep]e :thumbsup:

I'm getting kinda rusty on my ganon, anybody wana brawl?

maybe he calls them differently, i remember somebody called disjointed hitboxes unfinished hitboxes lol

I've never seen a character that can chaingrab with their up throw, so i doubt ike will be able to in brawl+

Shiznit???

Lol I have brawl plus but i never payed much attention to marth when i had melee, i was just happy ganon wasn't lowest tier

Iv'e just given up on R.O.B completely, Bad learned how to DI the down smash, cancel the gyro, and well the laser just plain fails... But ganon has nice combo grabs on DK, despite having the suckiest grab range ever,just down throw them to the edge and [bleep]e.

Well ok... but that doesn't really help keep luigi away...

I don't see what im doing wrong... you just push the B button and the laser just shoots out right? Is there something i'm missing to make it more spamable? #-o

The whole run away idea got me owned even more.... i cant camp without spammy projectiles... At least my ganon still owns him

I actually think the normal A and the dtilt is much better at keeping him away, but R.O.B has no spammable projectile, if you've used your laser and then miss with the gyro and he grabs it, all i have left is to fair him into an easy death, but luigi is a bit floaty, hard to get him locked into the combo. then again... there is my overpowered dsmash.... And... if he has a reallly bad recovery, why cant i [bleep]e it with ganon? :wall: hehe bad wuz here

Lol camp. make sure to get those easy gimps, and space him out. The only decent attack he has for spacing is his bair, which you can space out using your ftilt. Make sure to camp against him, and give him a hard time approaching. Bad can't deal with camping. ;) Oh, and Luigi punishes shields hard. He'll break them real easily if you spam shields. Try to not let him get in his range. (Right next to you) So stay away and spam the gyro/gimp? sounds easy enough but luigi's cyclone is like wtf cant gimp

Any tips on how not to get combo'd into infinity by luigi when i'm rob? #-o

I think im going to join the brawl club thingy (hotstew wanted me to join) Friend code:(same as hotstew) Time zone:(-5:00) GMT (EST) Characterz: Main: Ganondorf (Luigi cyclone > Ganon [bleep]e :wall: ) Secondaries: R.O.B, Bowser, and Game & Watch Give me a call if you wana brawl me

How *much* have you used them. I find it odd that I'm 99 strength, and I've spent 100+ hours testing and recording hits. I also find it odd that you are hitting 50 'every single time'. Since your only level 100, I'm assuming you don't own bandos, that you haven't completed RFD at 91 QP and that you don't have a fire cape at 70 range. So I will assume you are missing +4 strength bcp, +4 from f cape,+2 strength from tassets, and +10 strength from dark gloves. That's a grand total of -20 strength from the max of 99, so 79 strength bonus. Now, the max at 99 strength super setted with piety and +99 strength is 86; an initial hit of 43 coupled with the maximum secondary hit. Now, you are missing 20% of the strength bonus, so your max will drop 10% to 77. Your strength level drops from 117 to 71, a 40% drop. You also lose 5% from dropping down from piety to chivalry. So your losing 45% of your strength level, a loss of 22.5% from your original hit of 86. This leaves you with a grand total max of 58, assuming you hit the 4 hit series and actually hit. Now, the 4 hit series only has a 75% chance of hitting; the other combinations will drop your max hit by approximately half. So we've got a 75% chance of hitting a max of 58, plus a 25% chance of hitting a max of 29. This leaves us with an average max hit, assuming you hit at all, of 50. Now, the average hit is simply half of your max, leaving us with an AVERAGE hit of 25, revealing your 30-50 to be an outright lie, and dropping your max far below magic's 62. That doesn't even factor in misses, which are roughly 35% against equally leveled defence, dropping your average hit to a massive 16! Oh, and that's for a speccing weapon, which you can use a grand total of once every 3 minutes :roll: Let's see, your arguing over a weapon you don't have, about stats and equipment you don't have, versus magic spells that you can't even cast. Why are you even trying :| According to your calculations, (god, who spends like a month recording hits) i should of gotten pretty bad hits, but i didnt. I WOULD have gotten bad hits, but melee is too overpowered for that. Don't forget the ags too... Silly Rabbit! Trix are for kids! :shame:

Not nearly everyone PKs in the cities; look at the population vs. the crowd. Training spots are popular, as is near BH and deep wildy for the brave. Clan wars area is usually packed too. So what about that being the 'only way'? Your hitting over 60 in 1 shot, NOT using spec so you can do it constantly, with crazily high accuracy. Range armor drops the hit rate to around 60%, far better then melee does on mage armor. Dragon claws are nowhere near overpowered, I'm going to venture a guess and say you've never owned a pair :roll: I could loan you mine to play around with for a while, but my junk schedule's booked until next week. Send me a PM. I actually have used dragon claws, and even though im 71 str and wasnt pottting, i hit 30-50 almost every single time. Thats overpowered. And if you farcast you WILL get pjed, its just jagex wants you to think mage is overpowered because it can freeze, so everybody things the mage is an uber threat, so everybody attacks him. Yea, the chances of hitting 2 maxed damage spells are like 1/50th the chance of hitting good with dragon claws, and dragon claws like hit every second, unlike the 6 second cast time it takes to get two spells out

Ok, just be honest. Have you EVER used barrage spells in PVP? Have you ever even TRIED ancients? Have you done so much as LOOK at the KB or Wiki page on them, or did you just blindly post this rant after looking at the max hits (62 for magic, 60 for range, 62 for melee, in case anyone cares)? *sigh* I guess I'll fill you in on how the spell works. I barrage, and the meleer can't move for 20 seconds. I shower him with spells until he becomes unfrozen 1 second after my last cast. I stand on the outside edge of my spell range, and click just after I attack, so I 'jump' half a dozen squares away as he is unfrozen. I then run half a screen to the side, and cast a spell after 2 seconds 'jumping' after it in case it splashes. The meleer NEVER comes within 8 squares of me, even if I splash or fail to freeze him; he's never even within ranging distance, as I sidestep the mage distance limit. Look, you posted this erroneous rant filled with misinformation without having even tried ANY of the methods, and without an understand of the basic concepts and techniques. I would suggest requesting a lock to avoid further embarrassment. Sorry, but it's very annoying to argue with someone who admits they don't have the slightest clue what they are talking about. And what are you going to do? hit 10's and 20's and hope they die? First if all, you are extremely lucky if you dont get attacked by somebody while you are farcasting, and the meleeer can put on range armour and mage is almost useless on him, and then guess what! Dragon Claws!!!!!!!!!!!!! Silly Rabbit! Trix are for kids :shame: Hence why no one PKes in crowded areas, your opponent will tele or walk to a safe spot anyway. Yes, I will hit 50s and 60s and 'hope' they die. If the meleer wants to hybrid with range armor, I will happily combo him to his nearest respawn point by hybriding with ice blitz and d claws. I take my pair whenever I go mage PKing. y'know, if you actually bothered to read this thread, you would have seen that all of your points have been nullified by my previous responses to them when they were brought up by others. Well notice how everybody PK's in crowded areas because thats where are the people are #-o The only way to hit 50's with mage is to get two spells to hit at the same time, but it takes like 6 seconds to cast 2 spells. And if you wear range armour you dont have to worry much, they will just splash a flood. Any by the way, its the dragon claws that are overpowered, not the ice blitz

Ok, just be honest. Have you EVER used barrage spells in PVP? Have you ever even TRIED ancients? Have you done so much as LOOK at the KB or Wiki page on them, or did you just blindly post this rant after looking at the max hits (62 for magic, 60 for range, 62 for melee, in case anyone cares)? *sigh* I guess I'll fill you in on how the spell works. I barrage, and the meleer can't move for 20 seconds. I shower him with spells until he becomes unfrozen 1 second after my last cast. I stand on the outside edge of my spell range, and click just after I attack, so I 'jump' half a dozen squares away as he is unfrozen. I then run half a screen to the side, and cast a spell after 2 seconds 'jumping' after it in case it splashes. The meleer NEVER comes within 8 squares of me, even if I splash or fail to freeze him; he's never even within ranging distance, as I sidestep the mage distance limit. Look, you posted this erroneous rant filled with misinformation without having even tried ANY of the methods, and without an understand of the basic concepts and techniques. I would suggest requesting a lock to avoid further embarrassment. Sorry, but it's very annoying to argue with someone who admits they don't have the slightest clue what they are talking about. And what are you going to do? hit 10's and 20's and hope they die? First if all, you are extremely lucky if you dont get attacked by somebody while you are farcasting, and the meleeer can put on range armour and mage is almost useless on him, and then guess what! Dragon Claws!!!!!!!!!!!!! Silly Rabbit! Trix are for kids :shame:

You can saw whatever you want, but until they make a dragon crossbow melee will always win Silly rabbit! Trix are for kids! :shame:

Sry i havnt posted in a while But remember everybody, melee is OP! Mostly because of d claws... Silly rabbit! Trix are for kids! :shame:

It is true mysmic barrage is pretty OP, but you need a 1mil staff to use it, and i dont see the point. Also it doesnt matter how slow you hit if you one hit them :lol: And stew, just cause they can barrage you and you have to wait 20 secs, melee just waits its 20 secs (since mage can never k0) and then as i've said many time, hits overpowered damage and wins In f2p mage is pretty overpowered at low lvls, but past 59 is pointless and you will just get owned. Silly rabbit! Trix are for kids! :shame: Now for funny faces! :shock: :shock: :shock:

#-o Melee's max from 10 squares away is 0, as i posted earlyer, the point of melee is to melee things, so if you hit people from 10 squares away is wouldnt be melee. :lol: And stew, dont put "we" in how will we pk without vengeance, because you wont be getting it any time soon :lol: Anyway, i said vengeance is probly the most useful spell, all others are not worth using exept the barrages in clan and castle wars are fun However you can still k0 pretty easy without veng, it just helps alot to have it 1. You can Dragon Claw, this MELEE weapon is probly the least skillful weapon in the game to use, you spec, you win, the end \ 2. AGS, after Dragon Claws came out, AGS got sorta forgotten but it still a very overpowered weapon, capable of hitting very accutare and up to 70 :thumbsup: 3. DDs, although not very accurate, with 4 specs and worth 30k, this is most noob-friendly weapon and even can hit more than a d bow! (49-49) :o 4. D bow, This is an uber pjing weapon, although less overpowered than AGS and d claws, it can still hit mega through almost all armour 5. Vesta long, Can't say much about this wep, but when you can spec four time and hit 65 through armour and pray, i would say this word, Overpowered! 6. Statius warhammer, Similar to the vesta long, exept is has only two specs but lowers their defence by 30 whole def! :shock: 7. D bolts, if your lucky enough to get the spec to pull off at a whoppping 5k per bolts, the damage can be uber \ Silly rabbit! Trix are for kids! :shame:

Well the reason melee is called melee is because you melee people, attacking people from 10 squares away would build to melee's overpoweredness. Here is the simple solution to being 10 steps away when you are melee, take 10 steps in the direction of the enemy, attack them, they die. Now i can understand you telling me range is overpowered, because sometimes it can be (particularly on mages) but for the most part mage just sucks. Vengeance is one of the only reasons im getting 99. "Well Ice Barrage is really overpowered!" Yes! :lol: Mage is overpowered! :lol: It's 10's and 20's will take you down really fast!!! :ohnoes: NO!!!!!!!!! Mage is severly underpowered. A. They spend 2k a cast on runes for a good spell B. Every single mage armour has 0 range def (exept mage void) so a 5 year old ranger could kill a very experianced mage easy C. Mage armour also has very low melee def, making is very easy for a melee to pop a ags or d claws specs and laugh in your face when you character dies. :lol: "Well it freezes for 20 secs!" There are sevaral things you can do while frozen, A. Pull out a range wep and kick the mages butt B. If you are melee, put on range armour, wait 20 secs, and when its over, just 1-2hit the mage :lol: So the next time you call melee underpowered (and especially call mage overpowered) make sure you have some stuff to back it up