hehe whoever said the ye olde scimmy hits 27 comment earlier was awesome : You should pay atention to compfreak - hes got the right idea,and's been right through most of this. You should all note that we arn't actually taking cost and whos got X amount of cash - we're talking effectiveness of the items not costs. E.G. Whoever keeps goin on about mage costing money, get a life. Mith and steel arrows are NOT expensive, just it sounds like some silly billys wish to train under 40 with them...which will do next to nothing for profits then. Fair enough after when they can make a valuable difference to your hits, but seriously - about 65gp a mith arrow? You can make money by skilling, pking (but by the look of this forum it looks like thats failed :D ), or slayer etc. There ARE ways of getting more than 500gp a kill you know, a little something they released along with PVP. What you do (this is a big secret you see (apparently) ), is you put up 75k for PTP, and (50k?) for FTP and what-[garden tool] you have dramatically increased chances of getting better drops! BTW how can you not break even when you get to that stage - just pick who you're gunna kill carefully - a cocky noob with addy (G) perhaps? or a noob with full rune and not a clue how to use it - the people you can SEE are forking up a stake, making the random drops better. btw people should realise im still talking bout 40s or under - there's plenty of cocky skillers flaunting off their cash about.If we're talking slightly higher then what about sara armour, zammy and guthix? I say pfft in the general direction of whoever says you can't break even (well, you can if you play the game right).