Combat levels don't require a summoning level, i am 123 combat with 10 of these levels coming from summoning. If you don't like slayer then you have to go hunt for charms. But slayer really is a good way of collecting charms :roll: Slayer isn't the best way it just breaks it up so it isn't as boring. Where did i say it was the best way to get charms? Once you can kill Dust Devils, 65 slayer i think, that would be a good palce to stop as the DD have the 4th or 5th best crimson drop rate. And when you want summoning exp crimson charms are the best for their value. Golds are low cost/low exp, greens med-high cost/med exp, crimsons are about med cost/med exp, and blues are high cost/high exp. Well that is how i see it any way. i can't kill those nor will ever have acess to those...