Yeah, like with the swril of grunge sigs and stuff around here, they are basicly just a swirl of abstracts and brushes mixed together, with no thought at all put into them. I do know i'm going to pursue a graphics related career in the future so i'm trying as many styles as possible. And yes, like Ryan said we just have to live with it. There will always be noobs or people who realy don't know what their doing, and we just have to get used to it, or even better, help them become better. however that becomes hard because some people are realy ignorant and wont listen :) Well, i might be bad at sig making right now, but i'm trying to learn because i do plan to pursue a career in CG and animation. When i do pixels, i just do that for gp. I do 3d for fun and practice.