oh ok; i understand :P I understand he deserves to be higher than meh with all those 99s F2Ps.. somehow i think it's impossible to get it in the honest way, (means he never training f2p skills in member :P) but anyway if they did congratulations to them :P Btw water is nat, and lordjake, i remember you from gertjaar's cc when he was less famous :P Now there is too much people in so i don't go in his cc anymore =P I remember having some nice convo with Jake about his non-member accomplishements and all :P Anywayz i found a nice way to train magic and smithing in F2P =] It levels up like 2x faster than smelting steel bars and it also gives magic exp :) It's faster than fire blast and i do not loose cash.. I even make some cash but that's not the point, the point is really the xps :P So ima be like a pro in smithing and magic and i'll be able to be in this top 200 laterz :P