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Real merching is not manipulating prices. Suomi makes more money from donations than you think and doing your stated method would still incur risks. Idr mentioning anything about bug abuse either. He refuses to merch because there are risks involved and his donation method has similar profits, if only over a longer period of time. If other people want to do a more meaningful donation, donate him an actively rising partyhat for GE price. yes i didnt know about the exact maxing out prices for the most expensive methods. 21 bil is even easier. jebrim, i know you said something about suomi fearing the risk, and so did you now. price manipulation is the most effective method to get money if you know what you are doing, there is no doubt at all, whether it is real merching we dont care. you are speaking of him getting his money and donations and so on but actually if he wants to do the most effective method then he needs the money. he deserves to bury fdb he deserves to make overloads and to burn magic tree logs. you are absolutely correct about donating rising items, its effective but since jagex nerfes prices a partyhat will never come up to his values, i doubt it will double over the next year. and money transferring wont work like this too. or it would take ages to tell him to buy botted items for minimum and selling them for the trade price in a normal trade. rather sell him slings or something which will rise for ages now. if you raise common items which have no bot influence arent highly traded in the grand exchange but are still traded quite much, you can leave the whole stock of an item for 1 gp over med price and it will get bought out. since you dont have any competition and your offers are in first place, there is no term like dumping. there wont be a dump you will continuely sell the whole stock away and then it will fall again due to other people selling theirs and so on. you dont let the graph crash instantly otherwise you would betray the clan members and they would lose their money. suomi who sells his stock at max price before the final limit will have nothing to do with what happens after. he has no risk only the others have one which is at minimum when manipulating the right item. im not talking about what chessy018 did with santa hats. there is no real stock for santa hats as no new will enter the game.. im not talking about making a 25 mil item 110 mil in a year.. im talking about items around 5-50 gp which get tenfolded or even more in under a month. open your mind guys just to give you an example on a merch i and some merch clans did some weeks ago: http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/Amulet_of_accuracy/viewitem.ws?obj=1478&scale=2 that was no dump there, jagex deleted the price overnight (comparable to climbing boots at the opposite) i tripled my invested cash in that merch btw (i only invested 700mil) and guess suomi invest 500 mil without rebuying, then he will get out 5 bil of it in a month. only jagex can stop us, guys, they can set caps and stop merches.. we can tenfold items in a month and usually jagex wont do anything about such merches. we wanted to get the amulet to 130k and it would have been easily possible. suomi isnt included in such a merch, he just buys out the stock before the actual merch starts. then sells once the price got decent, and the merch clan then decides whether to continue the manipulation and when to stop. all you guys need is a ground potential of around 30-50 bil, and no offence i know 15 people on my own who have over 5 bil (you guys never heard of and never will, as they arent famous for xps) not including me at this point, so i guess jebrim you should know a lot more. and of those guys, if you arent the one, there will be one mastermind who overlooks and checks items and picks the right ones. afterall i can only say, price manipulation isnt hard, its very easy, no offence in the first place but just think of, how a little narrow-minded young girl who has no clue about the real life economy managed to become that rich, although chessy018's idea is more about scamming, but since you have read till this point you know my suggestion has nothing to do with scamming. jebrim as long as you cant ensure me that suomi is getting his 21 bil needed once he maxes out all non buyables, i highly suggest you to tell him about such ideas, they are fool proof and ridiculously easy to convert. you dont need to tenfold items, if that sounds unrealistic to you guys (which it isnt and never will be) but x3 x4 would do a lot to suomi, since 1 bil wont equal 4 bil. in this thread we have literally discussed every skill and its most effective method, but when it comes to merching, all you guys do is flip merching whips and other useless stuff for maybe 200 mil a month. you not only waste a lot of time at the ge but you also ignore the best moneymaking method in runescape. price manipulation, i hope, if you dont agree on my idea, you still agree on that, because thats a fact. didnt read my post, and im not native so hf with my ugly grammar and spelling mistakes =)

both are able to join the competition. rather than jdelacroix at the moment. if telmo and elvis contínue their play time on other skills, non buyables they would still gain on zarfot and skiller big terms. and they still dont have all buyables maxed. 8 months ago the difference was 600 mil. now its 350 mil (to zarfot). they simply play way more than he does.

in reality though when suomi does buyables it will be the cheap way lol dont expect any extra ordinary records im totally serious about my post, why shouldnt this be considered. I see no negative aspects here. All participants are mature enough to not dump early, so everybody could make a decent profit. Like the other experienced merch clans the only difference is, that one time the stock was bought out before the merch started. You probably need to wait 2 to 5 days to start the merch after suomi has bought his part. This is a 100% non-risky way for sumoi to make his billions. He does not lose any time organizing ge offers. He buys once and sells once. Correct me if i am wrong but currently suomi has about 500 mil or? technically he could get his 35 bil to max all skills with the fastest methods, in under a year with this method. I guess it will turn out slower but he will get everything set in 2 years at maximum, by then he should not have maxed all non buyable skills.

it would be a mind blowing cut scene to see both, drumgun and suomi having unlimtted cash to max out buyables, i guess they will do 400m per month lol, once the time has come and we must be patient, once suomi has maxed out all non buyables, slayer and finished up runecrafting, there will be a year when suomi destroys all buyables that would mean: 200m prayer 200m herblore 200m crafting 200m construction 200m in like 2 -3 months. I really hope by then he will have overthought merching and will have enough cash from his donations to make those billions really needed. I think suomi and jebrim are friends right? so jebrim you know him and you know a lot about merching, and you have stated he fears the risks and actually isnt against it due seeing merching as exploiting a bug (sry but that statement of drumgun was ridiculous), why wouldnt you teach him how to merch or tell him what to flip or invest? I would suggest making a 'Suomi' merch clan where you manipulate very uncommon items, let suomi buy out the stock and then a couple of maxed players should rebuy and rebuy until the item get x4 x10 or more of its ground price. if you pick leather vambs like i did, you can raise it by more than 8x within a month guess how easy money transferring would be then. No donations needed, he just takes his 300mil he has now and makes 2,4 bil every month. You seriously suggest something like that to suomi, jebrim. His donation system gets him 300 m per year, an own price manipulation clan which only supports his idea of getting 200m maxed out, could get him more than 20 bil a year and thats nowhere near unrealistic, if you know anything. all you need for this is a bunch of rich people who support his idea. I guess you only need 50 bil investments. and in your position you should find 50.

after 200m dungeoneering will suomi finish wc to 200m for another unbuyable skill?

Merching with 10b capital may get a bit hard with 2 GE slots and F2P items. I'm not saying it's impossible since I'm not a very experienced merchant, but I doubt there's many people in F2P who are able to do that. I still see 2hs as a more realistic way for most top f2p players, but platebodies may be a better way for someone. remember we speak of top efficiency and impossible perfection, though there are some guys who are pretty good at merching, i managed to double 1 bil in 2 months for example, and i dont consider me being at the top merchers... technically you should be able to always double your cash in a month or less through merching even with 2 spots only, although the more you have the more time you need to spent, which still isnt 1 day per month, and never will be

The fact that the moneymaking is spread around a period of many years doesn't make it faster. Fact is, in p2p, you make around 10M an hour merchanting and much less in p2p, meaning rune platebodies are never the more efficient method(and even then we are assuming you are a great merchanter, which not everyone is), not to mention, you'd be better off using that money on other skills. Also consider that because you have two ge slots, atleast one of them if not both NEED to be filled with offers for rune bars and rune platebodies(because max money can only buy you runite bars for 8m xp). Why should start doing buyable skills first? Stick to 200m RCing and 200m Wc, Mining.. Fishing and so on. As the decades pass by you have like 50 bil (yes in F2P) to even max out prayer and everything else, and I don't see you lose time at the Grand exchange, maybe like 5 Minutes a day. Actually if you merch with 5 bil in your money bag you are faster than merching with 9001 gp. I have no idea how you can lose 1 hour for 10 mil in F2P merching, unless you are joining manipulation clans and run a GE-sniping bot. I guess you can make 1 bil in a month when merching at a capital of 10 bil, with like losing only 2 hours of putting in and out offers at the Grand Exchange. As you never spent money until you finish up all non-buyables, you should easily have enough to do Rune Platebodies with maybe not a 30% + advantage but still a 25% over Rune 2hs.

Actually Smithing Rune Platebodies is faster than Rune 2hs, No doubt about that one. After years of training non buyable skills in F2p you eventually will have enough money, without losing more than lets say 12 hours of managing the 2 ge windows. Then you can start smithing Rune Platebodies. And i pretty much guess you will close the 9 hour gap pretty fast, which you have got due to merching longer and not smithing Rune 2hs. I dunno how you guys feel, but I think that actually matches the 100% impossible effiency you guys are approaching to.

i smith bronze daggers btw, so any new updates on our top gainers?

you can actually see el popo1 mining these days, he isnt even famed that much, powermining iron, he responds if urgent, but just mines... to give you an idea: he gains about 300k mining exp everyday. the maximum experience you can gain per hour is around 35k in f2p.. so he mines for 8 hours+ do top players, aasiwat for example, get benefits from being ranked 1 in runescape. sounds ridiculous but you could pay them to advertise something like an inside runescape event or clan. zezima could bring out a brand which prints runescape t-shirts, so he could sell his name... dont troll me down thats actually serious business i am wondering about?

well, lets make a rollback to a slightly off topic, it was recently mentioned that rela rela5---now = dark lust, has """TRADED""" 200m dg as being rank 1 forever for a divne spirit shield. apart from that i dont understand why you would forfeit like this, how can you technically trade that beside using a generated software, which would be odd for legit top players. a divine spirit shield has no street price over billions, its not like a christmas cracker which is considered to be 8b or more, or a blue phat which is like 6b+, if for example rela rela5 bought 100mil slings of wisely done he would double his money easily, as the item is new and will rise a couple moths now, but srsly if you trade a divine spirit shield legimately over runescape for 550m you dont make that much of a profit, considering supply and demand of those..., its no discontinued item, its just a shield with a drop rate of 1/2500 corp beast kills? is sbdy able to answer me this, as i am not in touch with dungeoneering that much because i hate it :P

btw, some guys may have noticed that zarfot (prev. 9218e231908471240912849012480123056234890561238903260121i) has changed his name back to zarfot, what a nolife jkin

i really think then they will start nolifing its minigames..

inbe4 u realize suomi playes 15/16 days not 20 and herblore is just a tad over 700k xp/h counting time making the extremes to make overloads and lol @ how you say fm faster then herb/prayer/crafting and oh yeah lets not count the time its going to take him to make the money at frost dragons to do all those since donating is not nearly enough and he did say he will be doing frosts however I dont know if that plan will stick or not if possible better methods come out also realize he porbably wont be doing the most expensive/fast methods for none of these skills as his need for money is to great. errr ... the remaining xp for fm will be not more than 50 mil, which yes, can be done in a week..., by the time he finished hunter slayer, runecrafting, he has some money to finally start realising that he can double that cash very fast, and he will...

errrrrrrr, just gtfo new[bleep] obviously, suomi still makes money through skills and through a donating system so he will get the money eventually. although zarfot said, he never really considered to get 200m slayer or maxing out anyway, he gains quickly these days, so i see him being first to 3bil

we all talk about suomi like his 2,5 mil xp gains everyday wont impress us, im so sure that once he has got all the money, he will max prayer in 10 days, herblore in 20 days, construction in 30 days, and when reched 200 mil slayer, summoning in a week, fm in a a week for the remaining xps, i give him 25 days for crafting too

about 10 days for prayer and 20 for fletching if you really nolife it, look telmomarques' xp gains 21mil a day lols

a divines street price is [cabbage] lol, and asuming he didnt use a trade generator who passes trade limits, he didnt make that much profit... i mean, a christmas cracker would be a diff story but this.. edit: and err wisely done has 200m dg xp congratz

haha blind if you are in that team, rofl yer wisely done should max out today or tomorrow if he wont do it phoenix odin like/ toony like, his name indicates though, he should max out, who knows if sb puts 19 mil dg xp in off tokens. yes im pretty sure, squisher has put in subjectivity to personal feelings towards zarfot, and told more of some crap about suomi, he is pretty efficient so why should he be bad at dungeoneering then. ill give him 3 months to amx out :D

erm Firenlazah, my dearest, i think ur goal is cool and i like ur dedication but please stop posting these idiotic daily summuaries of your gains, maybe opposite to me there are some guys who actually care about your 33mil wc exp, so start your own thread and you will get the attention and supporters you deserve, i think its rather interesting to hear some real concerns about or even from the contenders, unless you have offcially a race witth suomi to 200 mil wc, of course errrm.. Looks like suomi will be able to access 3bo in some days, also elvis has """slowed""" down his pace a bit, though he still impresses me, jebrim or drumgun, is suomi heading for 200m dg now?

have you guys ever noticed that toony, yes the nr 1 slayer is probably aiming to beat drumguns maxed cb record, just imagine... he need 80 more mil def exp, which he makes in under 3 months probably, then does summoning to 200m.. and clears up ranged meanwhile, and with all the cash he got from slayer prayer would be a 20 day journey.

suomi came into 3bo asking if it was ok to use the cc, cuz hes only 97 dung i think he was expecting us to make an exception for him cuz of his xp.....kicked yup come back when ur 105 dung suomi tbh thats [cabbage], even though he wont fit the requirements, its more likely he is more useful to the team for the floors 1-49, than the most ofc 3bo

I was level 1 dungeoneering and after the warped floor update I reached level 1.

elvis destroys the exp... 1,9 bil reached

well irrelevant cuz jdel will be nr 1 in a month or so