@The armadyl comment: We decided if we're doing 4:1 (not attempting a second even if massive supplies), void is better. I use arma body + deflector for range and void body + maul for melee. That clears some up I guess if none of you are mleeing, which you really should do in my opinion, only problem I still have is trying to spec in arma :unsure: When we pro nexingi it up Pat? All weekend long mate Im up for some now lol