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sigh... i could say the exact same thing turning it around. You cant discuss the non-existance of god with people who begin with the reasoning that He doesnt exist. My disagreeing with you doesnt make me unreasonable. Discussion ended per your request.

right. and i disagreed. I dont think you've shown that it's unlikely that there is a god. :wink: Are you starting to sense that we're both the type that needs to have the last word? 8) added: There is a really good book called the case for faith. It was written by a once athiest who set out to prove there is no god. His findings led him to devout Christian faith. not trying to convert anyone, i just find that fascinating.

no need at all to repeat what you've already said. I understand if you dont believe, but you havent shown that there isn't a god as you said you could. You're right there is evil in the world because some people choose to be evil and do evil things. God is good. We are evil. and what would i be if i left out satan.

perverted religion, not true Christian faith how? Have you been reading the topic at all? umm yes I have but he says he can show that God probably doesnt exist and I havnt seen him do that. have you?

perverted religion, not true Christian faith how?

And your evidence for this is...? Paluxy River, Tx (Shuker, Karl P.N., "The Sirrush of Babylon," Dragons: A Natural History, 1995, pp. 70-73.) here's more http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

Wars are not started by religion or faith. They are started by evil people who pervert the teachings of their religions. I don't feel like writing a whole story about it' date=' but just look at Iraq and the terrorism. [/quote'] It bares repeating that faith does not start wars. It is a lack of faith or the perverting of good teachings by evil people that starts wars. People start wars. that is true in regards to some religions.

dinosaurs and man co-existed.

Then where does the intelligence come from? Matter cant possess it.

Wars are not started by religion or faith. They are started by evil people who pervert the teachings of their religions.

If you're completely ruling out intelligent design, it had to have happened by chance. You cant have it both ways. intelligent desgin or chance, it had to be one or the other. natural selection relies on traits that show up by chance.

Several ways for me and many of them can be verified in secular sources. -The historical accuracy of the history books of the Bible, specifically acts. -historical events written about in the Bible accurately centuries before they actually happened (four major world empires, alexander the great). -100's of prephecies concerning Christ that were fulfilled in his birth, death, and resurrection -the Bible contains 66 books written by approximately 40 different authors over a span of about 2,000 years. There are no contradictions anywhere and all of the books have the same central theme, God's plan of salvation for man.

but he can't prove the theory of evolution which he teaches as fact. And the bigger point of the conversation is that belief in God is faith based. But for those who do need proof there are so many just in creation alone. In the intelligent design of it all. from a fish that uses bait to catch it's prey to a butterfly that can make itself look like something scary from the air to a beetle that was engaging in chemical warfar before man ever even had an inkling of what that was. I could go on and on. There is no way that anyone will ever be able to prove to me that the world I live in happened by chance. It just couldnt be. And I agree with you Insane, proving evolution to be true would not disprove God.

I seen no proof for evolution there. All I see is that scientists are still desperately trying to prove something they cant.

Theories dont explain observations and evidence. It's the other way around. And evolution and the big bang are unproven theories which scientists have yet to be able to find enough evidence to explain coherently, imho 8) Evolution hasnt been proven? Dangnabit, must have been my imagination when someone posted the link to some proof. If you have proof, perhaps you could humor me by sharing it here so I dont have to wade back through 10 pages of posts? I have seen none.

Theories dont explain observations and evidence. It's the other way around. And evolution and the big bang are unproven theories which scientists have yet to be able to find enough evidence to explain coherently, imho 8)

ok lol..here's a proof. Today a made a renewed commitment to myself to eat not only vegetarian, but vegan. This evening right after dark I walked outside to check on my kids when a gnat got sucked right up my nose, through my sinuses and down my throat. That is one of a bazillion proofs to me that not only does God exist, but he has a sense of humor to boot. :lol: vegetarian disclaimer: I am not a vegetarian for any moral, political or religious reasons. My body simply cant handle meat or dairy and i feel like hell when I eat it. So I do it for health reasons.

Agreed totally ;) ps. i hated my re teacher wouldn't it be fair to say the same about NOT believing in God, since it is higly likely that you came to this decision under the influence of someone or something other than yourself? If you dont believe that is your choice and I will never insult you for it, but don't call me gullible for believing. Spiritual beliefs are very personal and very individual. I will always respect your choice not to belive and you should extend me the same courtesy. 8)

Really? It has? Could you enlighten us please? How has that been proved?

Yes, I do.