Appreciated, looks like ill be hitting pc once i decide to hop on the def train till then..more daemonheim and more daemonheim. :mellow: Remember to quest for the 42 defense. And i assume you mean PC to get a hold of some void, because it's never wise to train stats with PC :wink: Aye yeah thats what i was referring to, cant stand the exp at PC for any stats below..96 tbh :mellow: