Lorsung23647

well I got 1,170,000, close enough to 1,000,000

All the servers (by your estimation) require 415kwh. 415*.1 is only $41 dollars a month. You multiplied .1 by the number of watts. Here's your problem my math here is rignt. 4kWH * 24 hours is 96kWH*144 servers*30 days*$.1 per kWH, which is $41,472. Now I have also posted all numbers. That is so wrong, on Jagex's website they say that they have over 5 million in 06, so Jagex is feeding us some bs somewhere along the line. And as for the flameing of the author, I'm sorry, I haven't slept for 3 days (mild case of insomnia, I get those sometimes) and don't really know what a flame is anymore. But if it was a flame, this is what set it off. What it was was I don't fail to grasp anything, except unlogical emotions, and that I had already said that I knew how little effort it would take, which indicated to me that he had barly even read the posts at all. It just bothers me that yes, he has real life issues, everyone does, but they way you respond to a post borderline flaming someone, it's not good..... Ok that's all I'm going to say. If you want my support you can have it. If you want to respond like you have before ok, I don't care. But anyways, have a nice day, good luck with your life, and this suggestion.

Uh, now I understand skimming, but it just didn't seem like you had read that much, even by skimming standards. Now I am not completely blowing off the idea of more f2p bankspace, it's stood up for 10 months which is awesome, and if it makes it 11 even better, now I'm just trying to see if it can stand up and come back from what I'm saying. It has and for that I support the idea. Now as for my respect, you have it...kind of... everyone has things going on in their lives, congratuations your normal. Now you never actually answered my post but thats ok. Also it's not just you I'm looking for to respond, it's anyone, when I said I was looking for just you to respond I don't know. No, it wasn't just you I was waiting for a response from, it's any of the 159,487 registered users of tip.it. Next the numbers, I have over shot the members there were only 900,000 in 06, and that was with 5 million players. Now it's about 6.5 million players raising total members to 1,170,000 members, or 18% members. It's on the Jagex corprate website. Next employees, I undershot the pay they get, it's much more. It's $36-40 per hour starting. Now I don't know about number of employees but for a company the size of Jagex, this sounded about right, now that I know how much they're paid, probely less people work there, but about the same price of employee salaries goes out. Now adverts, I was board so I refreshed the page and got 148 different ads. And the price per add, this was gotten through google's advertising price times 1,000 because google's got a lot more ads, and rs's are more where you'll see them. Server costs were from a 199 slot server times 10 for a 1990 slot. Anti-virus prices were from symantic corprate edition, and price divided by 12*144 because it's a yearly subscription. Next electricity needs, $.10 per kWH is average, and 4,000 WH or 4kWH is about 2 normal computers running or one of these servers because they have way more power. Insurance, $100 per computer or $50 per laptop in homeowner insurance, I took computer price. Next sever storage, thats one thing that I don't for sure know about. There that's all my numbers, check them if you like.

The third post wasn't spam, from date codes, at least 6 posts are made every 24 hours, no one was responding so I said something, now you have posts. Ya, like I said, I wasn't sure if anyone was actually reading this after my posts. What you fail to grasp, is I already said that I knew that it would take very little effort to program the codes in. Which makes me think you just kind of read the post ahead of you and post, which is kind of what it looks like you did, which makes me lower your intelligence a notch or two lower. If you had actually read my posts you would have seen that I said I knew how little effort it would take. And before I respected you for what you were doing, I just wanted to know how you would take to a little intelligent argument and respond in an intellegent manner to defend your idea. Now that I have realized you can't, I have absolutely no respect for you or what you are trying to get done. Now if you actually read the previous posts, understood them and had even mentioned or made a small hint you had read them I would have been ok with this. I actually congratulate you, penguingeek, you actually read the first and second post. Also, I don't really see the second post as spam, because it gave you another option, another suggestion instead of getting something for nothing. Now here is my third argument. Now as for the adverts you look at, those are there so that Jagex can make up the cost of having free servers. The reason you don't have adverts on the members worlds is because we're all paying for the cost of running servers. I don't think you understand what the cost of running a server is, or all of Jagex. For a server that has 2000 slots it would have to be a custom made server, roughly about $1990 dollars per month.(this is taken from 199 per month for a 200 slot server*10 for 10 times the slots) This would equal $286,560 per month for just owning the servers.(1990*144 servers) Now operating costs, lets go easy on this, lets go with the servers consuming about 4000 watts per hour or 4kWH. All servers running 24 hours a day, all month that adds up to to 414,720 kWH used by all servers in 30 days.(4*96*144*30) Now lets say the price of electricity per kWh averages to $.10 that would mean that they spend $41,472 per month on electricity. Now lets talk about storage, each server probably costs about $100 per month to safely store, that equals about $14,400 per month in storage. Now insurance, another $100 per month per server, another $14,400. Next we have antivirus software, that averages $10 per month per server. This takes $1,440 per month. Now the major money drain, Jagex Staff, Jagex employs about 3,000 people worldwide (working on building maintenance, game updates, graphics, website management, forums, customer support, exc), about a medium sized business. Now each of those people make about $20 dollars per hour. Each employee works 160 hours per month. Now that makes Jagex wages about $9,600,000 per month.(160*20*3000) Now I'm going to leave out all other factors effecting costs for them. They're total expenses are $9,958,272 per month. Now lets go for income. About 5 million people play rs per month, lets say roughly 28.5% are members, that's 1.425 million people. Now the income from them only equals $9,262,500 per month.(average of $6.50 per month for membership) Now lets say Jagex has 150 different adverts, for each advert Jagex gets about $5000 per month to put up that's $750,000 per month they make off of ads. Jagex only makes $10,012,500 per month, a profit of $54,228 per month or 1.0054% profit per month. That's not a lot for a growing company, now they have to have money for the shareholders, and for emergencies. The whole point of that is, Jagex isn't this rich company you all believe it to be, it's probably got more money than you'll ever make in your lifetime stored away, but to a growing company it's nothing. They don't have the money to be giving you something more to the free people for free. That's how corporations work, if the free version is too good more people will want to play for free, thus making the company add more servers increasing their costs and eventually driving the company into the ground. So basically it's not that much more to get membership, or just get it or do whats been suggested hundreds of times, destroy your holiday items, that will free up about 10-15 spaces, depending on how long you've been playing, also get rid of costumes you don't wear. Don't just tell Jagex you need space, take a picture, actually show them that the space is nessarry, your supplies, your armor/weapons, everything and show a freed up bank picture, with as much eliminated as you dare get rid of. This will actually show them how little you can save. Well I would really hope you respond to this, and don't think it's a flame or spam, it's not intended as a flame or spam, but as something with a point. This is also my last arguement aginst this. P.S. to poster of topic, I have dial-up, the first page kills my bandwidth, could you compress pictures or make them in in JPEG instead of PNG, easy to do, just open them in paint and then save them in JPEG, it will only take up about 1/4 of the bandwidth.

Ok if everyone's waiting for me to post my third arguement, I'm flattered, but don't. Someone's gotta post eventually. Try to fight me, tell me what you don't understand about my arguements. Maybe I've won and people are seeing the light, I don't know, I'm just here to not have people try to get more for free.

Ok that whole first post had to deal with the origional posters comment of... Now my next arguement is for the people that have the money but think it's a waste. I'm going to go back to Elizabethan Times. You know the time of Shakespear, the Globe Theater, Romeo and Juliet. In the globe theater there was 3 levels you could sit in. The first is basically pesants they had to stand on the ground they paid 1 penny to go there, the next is slightly richer people they had like stadium seating but hard wood benches, also they were 1 story higer than the pesants who were on the ground and you paid 2 pennies to get there, and the third level is the richest people they had individual seats, and were 2 stories above the pesants they had to pay 3 pennies to get there. I am going to put everyone on the third level, because we can pay for electricity, internet, and a conputer. Lets say you want a little more, then you could get a seat cushion for your seat for an extra penny. You could have a better experence than everyone else, you were better. Now the same applies to rs, you all want more bank space, pay for membership its not much more added on to what you are paying now. You get a better experence that the free people, and it's not much more. Now here's a suggestion, it kind of goes along with the whole globe theater thing, instead of getting the full members experence, maybe you can change your plan, instead of trying to get something more for free, on top of what your already getting free, you should try to get a bank space increasement plan, like pay $1 dollar per month for the bank space a member gets. Not just the 12 you want, but the full bank space. Then you get to play in the non-members worlds with more bank space, and without everything that comes with membership. And hey it's $4-$9 cheaper. Thats part 2. This is my revised version which I think is much better than the origional. I will come up with a third arguement for this also.

The whole point of what I said is this, if you don't have $5-$10 to spend per month, don't play and save a lot of money, then at a time when you have more money, the get everything back and play. P.S. your sig is wrong, you have pi as 3.141592653589798462, it should be 3.141592653589793238462, you're missing 3 numbers between the last 9 and the 8, you should have 93238 instead of 98

Ok, if you want more bank space pay $5 for membership, now I know what you're going to say, "Believe it or not, real life comes first", well if you don't have $5 per month to spend on a game, don't play it. Sell your computer, that will save you at least $25-$30 dollars per month in electricity, next get rid of your high-speed internet line, another $20-$30 dollars saved there. Next since you sold the comp, you now have money to pay off your computer bill, you know the bill that some of you may get each month because you didn't have the money to pay for it then, so you got payments for it. That now eliminates $30-$60 dollars per month. Now since you arn't using your time for a computer game, get a job. I know it may have been said many times before, but hey, you now have the time for it. You now gain another $15-$30 dollars per day (without taxes). Now look at this, you now save $75-$120 per month, or $900-$1,440 per year. Now add the job money in and subtract taxes (funnest thing taxes hun(I used 30% income)) thats $346.15-$692.31 per month or $4,153.80-$8307.72 per year. Now look at that, you now have an extra $421.15-$812.31 per month to spend, now you have another $5,053.80-$9,747.72 per year to save for later in life. Thats how much you save a year, and rs costs $60-$120 dollars per year. So ask yourself, "If I can't pay $5 per month, should I be playing, especially when I can save this much?" Also, I know how cheap it would be to add the space but hey this is exactly what they're thinking at Jagex, well maybe not exactly, but close. I arrest my case.