MasterMarduk

You do know you can click my username right? that shows my stats Ive mentioned in previous posts why I dont like quest, I suggest you read before you post. Being so untrusting of others is a shame, I have meny close freinds ive found throught the game that we used to share and give stuff to help each other. What Jagex is doing will only dehumanize everyone in Rs, making think there in a machine and not interacting with a person that has feelings, thoughts or considerations. Well, hell, Marduk, we ain't against people who are against the changes, we're just annoyed that you would think of some pretty idiotic ideas that could potentially make RS extinct. (trade @ lvl 100 - this aint communism , this is capitalism, you stupid noob - yes i'm calling you a stupid noob, marduk!) You're an atk/str pure. 84 def compared to the high 90's lvls of atk and str... you're just lazy or not imagnative. Get over it. I'm sorry you hate quests based on content. Be glad you have 144 qp. I'd be afraid you'd quit if trade limits were based on qp! (PS I hope you do quit - that way, 1 more major whiner gone from the RS world :P) Unfortunately, your friends that you know irl that play RS you can sure believe they're real - unless they're gettin hacked. The other ppl you met on RS, that you don't know irl, sure they can put on a good convo, but you know if they're legit? They skilled as a cover-up perhaps. It's not a shame to not trust people. That's called being on your guard. Kinda like if you were on myspace talking, and a boy your age wants to meet you. Turns out he's somewhere in his 30s and a molester. Same deal here. A bot is just as bad as a molester, in their respective environments. They're danger to societies. I'm sorry, Marduk, I'm glad you're also not working for JaGEx. You'd destroy JaGEx in one fell swoop. Millions would have nothing to play, and you'd be out of a job. They wouldn't let you even touch MechScape. Bell curves don't work well here on RS. Your argument is invalid, comparing it to college (i'm assuming you meant grades in college courses.) Bell curves... curves... qp is a straight number, can easily be implemented as a linear algorithm to easily limit trade worth and value. Basis: you get rewarded (in this case, decreased trading restrictions) by purchasing a product that a company sells (i.e. JaGEx sells their ideas as quests. Players - customers - do the quests.) You were a mod? Who in the hell gave you mod status? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Off the counter-rant: My guess on the 3000 number is that JaGEx would have created the system so that based on your combat lvl, you could trade up to 1k times your cmb lvl. Pretty uneven as far as the range of cmb goes, but in this case, a lvl 3 autoer could only trade up to (1k * cmb lvl 3) = 3k per 15 minutes to a bot owner's main account (1k * let's say cmb lvl 60) = 60k per 15 minutes. QP is a much smaller number to work with on f2p scale (seeing as you can get up to 34-35 qp on f2p). The trade restriction is much easier to work with, because many f2pers will have done most or all the quests to fully enjoy JaGEx's product. It's again coming to the rewards thing i said before. ~WSW~ Im far from a pure, I used to have 76 defence then I desided to work on it the I become very bored and stoped. Ask most any Mods here on Tip.it almost all know me atleast in some way 8-) so before you got on this your a noob thing, realize ive been around RS since before even most everyone here with the exception of a very small amount of people. Im 23 years old if a boy my age turns out to be a 30 yo and trys to touch me he would be dead within seconds of that attempt. I was a Player mod for a long time, so i really dont see were you get this Id hurt runescape idea. And with the number 3000 ill get back to Jagex thinking everyones a noob. 3000 is a noobish number, You cant do anything theres no variance at all no ability to be flexable. Theres also a problem, what they are doing is over kill, with RWT deals are done in the millions, why set the amount so low as to 3k? thats completely and utterly rediculous. Puting QP as the thing to increase trade limits is unfair to both those that dont like quest as there boring as hell, those that want to stay pureish and those that dont have the time to quest.

I never said no trading I said resticted, thats basically what jagex is putting into place, but I said they should figure combat in with there QP for under 100, 100 doesnt have to be 100 it could be 120, I just thought 100 was a good number.

that is not how Mark Wahlberg would do it.... (hope you saw my reply) Ya I did :D lol

I like the hair lol Id like to do something like that to mine when i cut it again so it self [bleep]es, only id have it be a darker blue lol with red, yellow and orange tips.

Im not complaining in stating my opinion, and I have already quit you would know that if you read through the posts.

You do know you can click my username right? that shows my stats :roll: Ive mentioned in previous posts why I dont like quest, I suggest you read before you post. Being so untrusting of others is a shame, I have meny close freinds ive found throught the game that we used to share and give stuff to help each other. What Jagex is doing will only dehumanize everyone in Rs, making think there in a machine and not interacting with a person that has feelings, thoughts or considerations.

how is this at all different then our current or previous system? have you ever tried selling buckets of sand? its a [bleep]. the time spent selling now is more valuable, thats why i love this update, now people have to use the ge however at this crucial period, i have found a flaw i call the flaw "the grand entrapment", i could start a topic over it and explain it, infact it has potential to yield great benefits and profits and its something a few have noticed and a few have not. anyway, its going to happen. oh, and you think they made an ignore list and privacy settings for people like me? no, they made it for less social people then me. and for people who require it, take zezima or another top 20 player, his clan chat is crazy full always. the people i speak of that i am social with are friends of mine whom i trust and speak with daily. Ive tried to sell everything but P hats since ive started, I know what used to sell and I knew the price of almost everything or at the very least how to find the price. My account is worth well over 1B gp. GE if it wasnt forced on us wouldnt be a bad system, but at this rate its far from good. They should have released it atleast 3 months in advanced of this next planed update. I think the some bug will be worked out but prices of popular items will be stupid high then no one will want to pay and low demand items will become cheap so prices will tank, no one will collect and the prices will climb and go in a cycle. Why is that bad? Because it will become unpredictable in its movements, and It wont be based on supply and demand but more on delay. For people that need cash fast It will create a problem as they cant sell the goods for days or months becuase no one wants to buy, and then no one will want to sell for the price making the market stagnent and sit in an area neither group will want to touch.

I know people will see how bad this is, It will just take time if nothing else. The restrictions they have put on it are far to drastic and it makes the game hard to play as a social group. I really have no clue what TET will do. Now they you cant give prizes and you cant sell people for time to give prizes away. Its leave a huge hole in the social workings of the game. The economic hit it gives inside runescape is also very drastic, making you put full faith into the GE even tho its new and has done far from prove itself. what about those whom socialize without giving away items? i sure as hell do that, people ask me for [cabbage] all the time, im like i dont got it. i might lie about it but i just dont like not having my stuff at all times, its not fear of being ripped off. its the inconvenience of wanting to do this, when i want to do it with my stuff and not have to rely on my friends to be online, or have the $ to fix my [cabbage], such as barrows armor. as for the bolded part, what the hell are you talking about far from prove its self? its prooving its self EVERY DAY. it works, i would LOVE for someone to reasonably explain to me how the GE has suddenly killed your account where from this point on you cannot recover. i met some guy on the RSOF, he claimed to be a businessman who had a company about to turn a 250k profit, yet he did not understand why the GE led to decline in prices of black dragonhide sets. then went on to tell me something he knew nothing about, how that companies never under sell their products at below cost to drive out other competitors. it happened, happens and will continue to happen. people just come on, be realistic, if your going to complain just take it slow. the GE is now a living market, its like a puppy a few weeks ago, new pissed all over your carpet and kept you up at night. now its like a dog, working good and eating its dog food and going outside when its gotta piss. what we used to have is a ragdoll, inflated/deflated by puppet masters. sure the 3k trade limit is not the best, but it works. it has worked for other games and still is working for those games. heres an example, my friend i know in real life made me 100k iron knives to get him like 15 smithing levels. he gave them back afterwards. with the assist system and trade update i cant do that? well, hey too bad so sad. i bet this is the same exact stuff people said when they gave this game a chat filter. its ruined oh noes cant plays now more "pay2say" riots... the game will go on. Ive always been nice to people around me If i have something and dont need it I let them have it, they created the ignore option just for people like you that didnt want to listen to people asking for stuff. The market will never be stable, first off prior to this newbs adn noobs both sold in there world adn rarly outside, this my have ment they sell for less. With the GE the middle man is gone and people will sell for whatever gets them teh cash fastest. Noobs and Newbs dont care what they sell for as long as they get GP. Like I said about Pots in the begining. O and people not underselling Is BS, People always want there stuff to sell fast and with GE nothing sells fast except the stuff thats in high demand other then them everything is snail slow. I was capable of making over 3M a day being a bulk merchant, I would buy stuff at street value but I would collect thousands of let say rannar seeds, then with that Id go to people who didnt like to trade or dont have the time to spend collecting and sell them to em. The GE cant replace the speed at which merchants did the same job, nor the ability to haggle both lower and higher as number are avalible. When the chat filter came in people where pissed I know I was, even tho I didnt say really bad words I still said [wagon] a good lot. back then people had respect for each other and there wasnt a need for any of this thats here now or going into effect soon. I also know that Jagex people played runescape, with these updates im really starting to wonder if they do anymore. making changes that hurt so meny people and stop there enjoyment of the game.

That is a VERY VERY VERY good idea :) Well said =D> I think this is something we can all agree on. Im not sure if hes talking about Jagex or my thoughts on it. But also said now things are going to be harder without merchants and I 100 percent agree with that. Merchants (not the ones that buy and sell high value items) are very useful, they collect a mass of items then sell to a person for a slightly higher ammount they they aquired them at. This profit was threw number and not just 1 Item. Right now the system Jagex is implimenting is Unfair to everyone.

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers... Right now its unfair to quest haters (ME) and everyone by resticting our abilites to interact. Its unfair to noobs not to let them us whips, then with the same logic. If you are more powerful, more involved you should get more accesses. So you're saying the world revolves around people who hate quests? Once again, I bring up the point that skillers will lose out if we were to abide by your rule. As to your "you get more stuff if you're more powerful", what about the people who chop millions of magic logs instead of leveling combat, do they not deserve anything valuable? That is completely unfair in my opinion. The game does not revolve solely around combat. However, in your defense, it does not revolve completely around quests either. I think the reason why Jagex put the rule for quests is because they are easily doable by anyone and a lot of people do a large amount of the quests for the good rewards. Plus, other than the quest cape and the rewards from doing the quests, people who do quests don't really have too much of a trophy to show off to the public and also they don't have too much of a reason to do the smaller ones. That is an utter and complete lie... It may be true to you because you view the world around you as if it revolved around you, but in reality, noob is a reference to the maturity of the person "noob" is being said to. Unless the other player is immature, then the term "noob" is usually unused. Another use of noob is by the immature people who can't have everything their way. On the other hand, the term "newb" (short for newbie) is usually used to people who have lower levels than the user of the term. So to me, newbs are level 60 and below. I guess to you a newb is 100 or below. However, I have never heard either term, "noob" or "newb" being used to criticize someone who has not played for two years. (I've personally played for 4 years) Well, it's New Year's Party Time! WOOOT! \ \ \ Happy New Year to you ;) You can ask anyone Ive never said the world revolves around and ive given away more stuff then most people have. I also stick by Noob, Newb doesnt apply to most players, a newb is someone thats less then a month old playing to me, after that your a noob. I didnt address skillers there becuase that wasnt the question in the quote :roll: ive already addressed that also in previous posts. Im lvl 118 after over 6 years of play... you think all i did was skill? no I dont train combat often at all. If a person is only skilling one skill then they arent needing to trade much anyways and for stuff like raw materials all you can do is GE anyone with the new update so this wouldnt effect them even if they had a small combat lvl. Over half the quests ive yet to do I have around 144 QP total. Ive done all the once I would call challanging and all the ones I need to use stuff I want too. The rest are boring or utterly stupid.

I know people will see how bad this is, It will just take time if nothing else. The restrictions they have put on it are far to drastic and it makes the game hard to play as a social group. I really have no clue what TET will do. Now they you cant give prizes and you cant sell people for time to give prizes away. Its leave a huge hole in the social workings of the game. The economic hit it gives inside runescape is also very drastic, making you put full faith into the GE even tho its new and has done far from prove itself.

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers... Right now its unfair to quest haters (ME) and everyone by resticting our abilites to interact. Its unfair to noobs not to let them us whips, then with the same logic. If you are more powerful, more involved you should get more accesses. Generally idiots use the term 'noob' to describe people. It doesn't make you look good. Anyways, I don't really care about your suggestion as Jagex will probably never take it up. : The term noob as I use it is in referance to anyone less then lvl 100, played less then 3 years (no matter the combat) and is only ment to include alot of people in a non offensive way. I call most my freinds noobs as most of them started less then 2 years ago.

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers... Right now its unfair to quest haters (ME) and everyone by resticting our abilites to interact. Its unfair to noobs not to let them us whips, then with the same logic. If you are more powerful, more involved you should get more accesses.

Yes actions did have to be taken, because Bots and RWT were effecting there business, but the actions they have taken are far to drastic. Doing such a harsh action is what will kill runescape, Im not saying Its going to just die instantly, but over time you will see the decline in players. What would you have done in Jagex's place then? I already said a couple of times I would have resticted with a bell curve/scale based on combat and QP, and then remove all restictions at 100 although any number over 100 would be good as long as restrictions would be removed.

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If it was 100k the fallout would be far less then what it will be with restiction of 3k. Every RL trade is based on volume and 100k isnt enough to keep going If Jagex would have made that the number Id have seen alot less of a problem in this update.

Lets go with rares or anything high value lets say a D full helm. few people even those rich enough to buy them have the Gp laying around, alot of time people would barter and accept items with the cash to trade. With the update bartering isnt good, as items values are messed up becuase of teh GE and what if someone wants more items becuase its in items and not GP?

Ive never brought this on myself, Ive never bought any Autoed goods, Ive never bought RL cash. I used to be a player mod and I would report anyone that I knew to be autoing, in some cases mute them if it was clear. I would think a former moderator would have a better suggestion to cut of all trading abilities of players less then 100 combat level. I already said a couple of times it would be resticted with a bell curve based on combat and QP.

You don't even have to look at the IPs. Just go to sites and directly ban the characters the people are selling. It's also pretty easy to track down people who play 24/7 and get to level 100 in under a week. Jagex does have the material to do that... The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout. Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created. And I've already posted that the skillers will be losing out. There are many people who are going for all 99s except for combat. So we should just ignore them? Jagex is trying to make everyone happy. I'm sorry if they don't only think of you when coming up with updates... Account sellers dont post the characters names, just to stop accounts from being banned. If they would have a system to track people playing 24/7 then why need to do this? why not just ban the bots now?

Ive never brought this on myself, Ive never bought any Autoed goods, Ive never bought RL cash. I used to be a player mod and I would report anyone that I knew to be autoing, in some cases mute them if it was clear.

The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout. Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created. It's one day away, I think people would be reacting by now.. The 100 cb trade limit is absurd, most real players have nowhere near that, and it is VERY easy for a bot to get to 100 combat. The quest point trade regulator is probably the best system that could be used to control the trade limit, because most players quest and it is fairly hard for bots to complete quests. Sorry to burst your bubble, but most players dont quest, Pures dont. I dont, and alot of my freinds dont. People find them boring and only do it when they need something they cant get without doing it. I also mentioned a bell curve which would allow for trade restiction changes at lower lvls. That could be based on combat, and QP for all I care. Im saying what they are doing is far to drastic. People wont react unless they know whats going on, Most people dont really see the impact this will have espeically young kids. Over time this will wear on there love for the game, and they will quit.

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department. Agreed. Do you know how many hardworking players there are in Runescape that are below level 100? What about those lvl 3 skillers? So they can't trade after they mine coal ores, yew logs, etc? And what about those noobs who want to make money with their flax picking? Yeah, it's not so easy coming up with new ideas. Like I said in my other post, Jagex has done a great job making the general public happy and they can't make everyone happy. You need to realize the world does not revolve around you... EDIT AGAIN: One more thing. It's not that hard for bots to get to lvl 100. Just have a program to kill minotaurs, etc until they're lvl 100. It's certainly faster than getting a lvl 100 with actual playing Exactly. Who's going to get 100 combat faster. A normal player who plays 2-3 hours a day. Or the bot owner who has 10 bots training around the clock? And it's not even fair, just because someone has a low combat lvl doesn't mean he/she is inferior to people who train combat more. Well there going to be making lvl 100 characters anyways. Once this trade thing is estabilished they will start character farming instead of gp farming. Then we will have even more problems. Two things... 1) Character farming is much easier to track down and = instant ban while gp farming is harder because you can't really track down every gp traded. 2) Most of the sites have already said that they are moving on with their lives and gave up rs farming. It was in another thread in this forum. I disagree with number one, Yes its easyer to track since Jagex logs Ips, but They cant just ban someone for having the same IP or moving Ip regions, all someone has to say is they were on vaction or were living there for a while when they created the guy. Jagex as far as I know doesnt track lvls aquired per day. so there could be a lvl 100 created in around 2 week with a bot and be sold without any problem, and when jagex find this its probibly atleast a month after creation date making 100 possible as a lvl being aquired in regular play time.

Yes actions did have to be taken, because Bots and RWT were effecting there business, but the actions they have taken are far to drastic. Doing such a harsh action is what will kill runescape, Im not saying Its going to just die instantly, but over time you will see the decline in players.

The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout. Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created.

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department. Agreed. Do you know how many hardworking players there are in Runescape that are below level 100? What about those lvl 3 skillers? So they can't trade after they mine coal ores, yew logs, etc? And what about those noobs who want to make money with their flax picking? Yeah, it's not so easy coming up with new ideas. Like I said in my other post, Jagex has done a great job making the general public happy and they can't make everyone happy. You need to realize the world does not revolve around you... EDIT AGAIN: One more thing. It's not that hard for bots to get to lvl 100. Just have a program to kill minotaurs, etc until they're lvl 100. It's certainly faster than getting a lvl 100 with actual playing Exactly. Who's going to get 100 combat faster. A normal player who plays 2-3 hours a day. Or the bot owner who has 10 bots training around the clock? And it's not even fair, just because someone has a low combat lvl doesn't mean he/she is inferior to people who train combat more. Well there going to be making lvl 100 characters anyways. Once this trade thing is estabilished they will start character farming instead of gp farming. Then we will have even more problems.