Pipalonias

Well I'm sorry, I didn't know you could auto pallies, though if you do... Once again, did I ever say "LOL you thinkhomoseuxalslss are the BADd111!11"? No, I did not. Ever. You said I dated a GUY. Don't see why that's funny in the remotest sense. And I'm sorry but calling the leading researcher of MMORPGs who knows far more then you do about the subject is biased and inaccurate means you really have problems getting over yourself. And you don't have to quit school to play RS.. god. You can be the smartest guy in the world and be addicted to RS. Get over it. Maybe you should do some research before you look like an idiot. Now can we please stay on topic and try to keep our topics factual rather then LOL I THINK YOU ARE WRONG! SO THERE! YOU ARE BAD!

Well finally we're getting some real testimonials from people who DO have an addiction. Tiagra read the website I provided on a person who interviewed 35,000+ MMORPG people and 50% of them were found to have an addiction. That is a fact not an assumption. adÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷dicÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷tion [ÃÆââ¬Â°Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ dÃÆÃâÃâíkshÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢n] 1. drug dependence: a state of physiological or psychological dependence on a drug liable to have a damaging effect 2. devotion: great interest in something to which a lot of time is devoted. And there are other things to do besides playing games to distract yourself from the things others are doing. It's healthy if your grades are not suffering, it's not healthy if your grades are suffering. That means you place a game over higher importance then learning and school. That leads to the dark side. I don't think replacing real drugs with an artificial drug is any better, it's best to do it some other way, but not with an MMORPG. "You also "dated" a GUY on the internet, but, meh." - You're inferring something about homosexuality there. Notice the caps on GUY? Nice way of showing your contradictive self. Now stop attacking me and start progressing. And no, I was never caught, I got away with character-sharing and auto-mining, Jagex never knew a thing. I publicly came out and was gonna have the biggest drop-party ever if you don't remember, but obviously you're biased ;) You can't auto paladins anyway.

Hey I tried at least. Most of you raise valid points which I cannot disagree with due to the fact I know nothing about the possible things you could be doing instead of playing runescape. This seems to have completely detracted from my original post and become playing with words and enlargening small statements of mine as an argument against me with no relevance to the topic. I doubt many of you have even looked at the links provided. I am writing from my own experiences, and I can tell you that MMORPGs did nothing for me, did nothing for my friends. Based on this I tried to reason with people who were like me also, but who evidently are too immature to learn anything (those spamming with one sentence saying I'm addicted etc. etc., not the logical posts) The fact remains that while SOME people may gain something out of it, some become socially inept. I talked to Ameoba, a friend of Runescape 4 years ago who still plays. He used to have normal grammar and speaking skills. Now he rites n acts lke tis lal! I am focusing on these kind of people, not the kind of people who establish links with others and gain a benefit from it. And to clarify things, I am not narrow minded, I am not addicted to money, and tiagra you know nothing about my banning. I quit and admitted myself I autoed, but I did not auto thieving, that's impossible. Evidently you don't know what it's like spending 10 hours a day in the pally room. Camobiscuit is a intelligent and smart person, and I dated a female at the time, not a guy, and the inference that homosexuality is a bad thing is narrow-minded. Noone has presented any evidence on their behalf besides their ow n experiences which is the exact same thing I did, yet I at least provided evidence of 50% of people being addicted, a statistic which noone here can or has argued against and which is my main point. I don't know about poor people, I don't know whether you gain social skills or not by playing, but neither do you, so don't argue against me in that sense. 10/10 people who do drugs do not get addicted. Stop trying to defend Runescape your precious drug, and view it in a more broad spectrum. Send a guy with $100 whose played star wars addictively and already wasted a couple hundred bucks vs a guy who spent half the time researching stockmarket techniques and didn't waste money. Guess who wins? If NONE of you understand what I'm talking about, you have never known an addicted person or are in denial. Therefore you cannot honestly say you know what I am talking to you about and that I am narrow-minded. It is your choice ultimately, but don't limit yourself to MMORPGs when you could be doing something more.

Hey, I'm just a confused person trying to find out why society does what it does. Not my fault I have to get into arguments with the few in society who happen to not be my target audience.

Sigh, a smartass with words, I'll just ignore that bit :roll: Guess autoing level 30 to 50 on mining means I didn't play. Level 1-99 thieving obviously doesn't count for anything does it. Please grow up before you alienate based on unfair stereotypes, you obviously have never played an MMORPG like I have. What's wrong with the internet/tv? It's an awesome research tool, glad to see you're using it how I suggest you should. I agree with you that most people are complete idiots and ruin their lives for popularity, good to know there's more then one person out there. This point is pretty much re-enforcing what I've been saying the last 4 pages. And of course I highly doubt you could know more then me at just about everything, that's a poor egotistical statement. Btw Doctors, dentists and lawyers aren't my thing, they don't do enough for intelligent people to work with. Right... you don't have to pay anything to learn how to use the stockmarket, so long as you do the research for it, but then again we're all too busy playing MMORPGs, and no the stockmarket on the game is not based on real-life statistics. You make unbelievable amounts of assumptions. I don't go out ever. I sit in front of my computer and pretty much learn about stuff that interests me. I hardly watch tv except for documentaries. Maybe you didn't read the part next to it which said provacation specifically meant for people who don't read my posts. Poor people are the smartest people - Everyone keeps alluding to this, I did not bring it up, people chose to continue it, I have no knowledge, I make up statistics. and WTF.. poor people go to college? I don't have any idea what you're trying to say at all there. Your last point is [developmentally delayed]ed. You're basically saying to give up on people who are not doing anything. If one person quits this game because of me I would have achieved something, if the rest of you play and waste time fine. Until you quit you do not realize that I am right. Like you said, you can teach yourself everything in 3 years, but not if you're addicted to an MMORPG.

A lot of people seem to have played MMORPGs and quit and agree with me.. what a co-incidence that people who haven't quit don't agree with me. Maybe if you did you could wisen up like these people. Str_Bishop "I've played heaps of MMORPG, and what Pip is saying is 100% true. After donating hour after hour into the games, i ended up with nothing after i quit, and as Pip said I could have used the time to enjoy something else in life or/and do something more productive. TO WAR VS MMORPG'S!!!!" bbstarky "Now I play aom, and can find games/time to do other things. This is great. runescape sucks unbelieveably." EtniesQSilver "i played runescape back in the day... after i quit to play aot again, i realized that i wasted so much time on that game..." Giffo "i played wow for about a month before i had to give it up despite my crying and pleading. (bad internet and comp made it not worth it) totally addicting" KRT_Scoobings "i gotta agree, you see it constantly in the MMORPGs, even the lame ones like runescape, people are addicted and play 4 hours + a day. I cant imagine what its like with the well made MMORPGs like WOW and EQ..."

Once again, another post not relating to the topic whatsoever. I really am trying to make a point, but it's wasted on ignorant people who want to detract from the topic and make stupid unrelated spam. If you're into art, you're into art. If you're into computers you're into computers. Runescape has nothing to do with it. Learning social skills through the computer is not learning social skills as you're only learning how to interact without the person present. Runescape will never help you deal with corporate rip-offs. Ultimately talking to people on the other hand on runescape evidently seems to make you stupider such as in bluetear's case. I'm sorry bluetear if you would rather waste your life doing nothing, at least you could make money and give it to some people to do something with it, if you see the flawed logic in that you're obviously an idiot. You really try to make yourself out to be superior, pity your vision is blocked by your ego.

Well let's see, I'm an avid fan of history and age of empires 2, getting an A in the subject. I've never played a biology/english/chinese/ game and getting A+ in those subjects and find them quite interesting. Therefore there is no link to this or the other. You can't assume that you would never have found history interesting. Modern Culture/games/tv doesn't take a lot to understand. The reason they were created was to mellow out and stop thinking you realize? The last games I played on difficult were piss-easy, they aren't challenging at all, I dunno where you are coming from at all. The hardest games I found was some really old game on my Nintendo. You make a lot of assumptions in your post which ultimately can be disproved. You can tackle any career no matter what, don't say you can because of books and games. That's the same thing as saying God gives you the ability to do things, it's just degrading yourself.

Albert Einstein was poor for most of his life. Stephen Hawking didn't grow up in too grand a place. Pity you can't read the topic. The fact that people are willing to spend so much time on Star Wars Galaxies is re-inforcing my point. Guess what, spend that time on the stockmarket and hey presto! You're making money! Or you can do it on a game and get nothing and waste time.. awesome! God.. The ignorance of some of the people here. (Not that God exists of course, just an expression = provocation)

I am possibly one of the open-minded people I know. Just reading Wyrm's posts I realize that I am wrong in some areas, and I am willing to adopt a new view if it has some basis. Don't assume that just because I am argueing something against you that I am close-minded. That would make you close-minded. :roll: And 50% of people can be classified as being addicted if you read the statistical proof I gave a couple of posts back, which means that every 2nd person you meet on runescape on average is addicted, so I'm not categorising everybody, I'm categorising every 2nd person I meet on a MMORPG. I dunno, but I think there are less people who do drugs and are not addicted to them then there are people who play MMORPGs and are addicted to them, though this is a presumption with absolutely no basis so feel free to prove me wrong here. I posted this into an invited audience with people who have had experiences of quitting MMORPG's or friends who play them and their reaction is 100% agreement with me. Interesting to note the different opinions held here. http://aot.sanctuary-network.com/index. ... 30988&st=0

I presented proof. And a no-care attitude is a pretty poor attitude to go with Peter. Pedophiles enjoy raping kids, should they continue their ways because they enjoy it? You're the one comparing apples to oranges, not me.

So by not drinking and doing drugs you instead took drugs a different way. :) Don't compare yourself to people who obviously have nothing better to do in life then crash and burn, that will never get you past step one. By wasting your time here, ironically enough you're doing the same thing they are, which is wasting your time. Do you not see that? And to the above poster, unfortunately for you reading a book would help you more then playing the game for the same amount of time, and you obviously don't know the meaning of addiction either. The debates on here are mostly mundane from what I remember and involve flamming/spamming until it gets locked, with virtually no intelligence or relevance to the topic such as most of the people here. You get something out of dealing drugs and taking them as well, but it's always faster to bypass the addiction part.

A resistant audience argues against me no matter what, an invited audience agrees with me and gives examples. I'm sorry but I've never heard of anyone getting addicted to sport and/or other things, but I know people who get addicted to MMORPGs. About teaching yourself english, it's the same thing as what I told to Wyrm. Sure you learnt it, but you wasted 500+ hours doing it as opposed to 100 if you just hadn't sat down and played the [developmentally delayed]ed game in the first place. Proof of what? That people get addicted? My real-life friends, people I have met on the internet and me myself, which ironically stems from the fact that we strive to be the best, but the truth is the higher up you go, the more mechanised and routine it gets, and this is true for pretty much EVERY game. They don't take over your life? Obviously you've never known a person who has become addicted. I know people who do drugs that don't take over their lives, and some people have been addicted to them, therefore drugs aren't drugs according to your syllogism. As for the strategy, I'll agree that low-level playing to medium-level playing is strategy, but high-level strategy becomes experience rather then strategy, ultimately being meaningless.

Well I just did give you actual proof of socio-economic class, so I don't know what I should be doing? And surely you would have gone and used a computer and found a website and ultimately used it to find a professional website for graphical drawings with a forum to express your ideas, though like I said before I cannot prove this so ultimately I have no retort to your argument. That being said You could have also gone in another direction which might have ended up making your life better overall in all terms, so you cannot say thanks to MMORPG's your life is better. By playing Guild Wars seriously, you are effectively playing it moreso as a serious game and not as fun, and that's edging right on my point :) And ultimately it becomes less of the level of acumen, and more of what you know to be overpowered and what to do in certain situations. It therefore becomes knowledge and you don't have to adapt as much anymore until ultimately you know the game back to front through playing and it requires no acumen at all. I was one of the top 5 Age Of Titans players in an RTS, which undoubtedly requires more skill then MMORPG's, and I found that it was more of an experience issue/overpowered issue rather then acumen.

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gateway_addiction.html - Excellant group of studies and research on the issue. :)

Name One MMORPG that sharpens your mind. There obviously would have to be SOME games that sharpen your mind, but those are created for the purpose such as maths games and such :) I don't see how playing runescape could possibly make you get more into computers, considering that getting on to runescape and playing does not require computer skill whatsoever, and that it would lead to computer graphics or art is just funny. You were around for 2d runescape, you cannot say that it was worth it. Ultimately speaking this isn't a valid argument as you may have gotten into computers through your studies nevertheless and improved upon yourself, but you may not have, and thus we cannot draw a conclusion from this. Besides the point it doesn't have anything to do with MMORPG's being addictive, as you could have gotten into it, but still be addicted and thus not spend all possible time you could doing something interesting. This is detracting completely from the topic, but we can talk about social classes. The smartest people hmm... I can take examples from my school, the smartest don't have the internet at all, they are on scholarships because they cannot afford the school costs. Poor people usually have to work hard to make money and get somewhere, the stupidest at my school co-incidentally are the richest. "If youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re so smart, we ask without thinking, why ainÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t you rich? With thinking, we know the answer: many of the very smartest people, perhaps even most, find better things to do than making money." Back on topic, let's branch out into other MMORPG's to continue discussion. I can think of World Of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Everquest and Final Fantasy Online off the top of my head. Now I haven't played many of these, but I know for a fact that WoW and Guild Wars are more click-fests then real "sharpness of mind," and I highly doubt Everquest or Final Fantasy Online would be any different. And I disagree once again with my sentence structuring. Seems logical and fine to me. :)

Is that supposed to sound/be satirical? If not then why don't you just quit like the main point of this post is?

Don't make out games to be the reason you started it. Had you the ambition or the intelligence to pursue your goals, you would have accomplished your goals sooner. You've been here for at least 4 years, I remember you from about 3/4 years ago, and you cannot say that the time you wasted here could not be spent finding out more about the topic and ultimately being a better person. When people post this kidna crap it's just stupid. The fact of the matter is that going to the mall with friends is learning and talking, while sitting on msn and talking about how much people you have pked or paladins you have thieved means [cabbage] all. Sure you may have gotten into computers, sure you may have improved your writing, but co-incidentally had you just tried it in the first place you would have achieved a lot more in a shorter period of time. Usually the smartest people are the poor people, as they have no distractions like computer games etc. to stop them from real learning. Games do not spark your mind, they limit your mind. There is only so much you can do in Runescape for example, and the thinking in it is non-existant. I never insulted them, I just made a point that people here are spamming without having any logical back-up. And lastly the wording is fine, prolonged is a better word to use then expanded, and don't try to lecture me on wording, stick to the topic.

And that's the problem with addicts, they're not willing to see what they're doing is wrong, they have no factual basis or explanation of anything, and ultimately they need to get their facts straightened out before even posting. Had they maybe prolonged their miniscule sentences with some basis they could possibly raise an argument, but ultimately they have none and therefore resort to playing RS. And no, books you GAIN something, you learn something, MMORPG's you learn pretty much nothing, play for a really long time until you quit and realize that it's a waste.. which may be a huge lesson upon itself but it's better to just know it from the start.

There is a large if not equal connection.

Honestly.. MMORPGs are addictive, solve no problems, have no meaning and make you [developmentally delayed]ed. Marijuana is addictive, solves no problems, has no meaning and makes you [developmentally delayed]ed. ???!!??? Not only this, but Marijuana at least only wastes your day every week or so(I assume?), while as MMORPGs ensure you are always thinking about playing, always wanting to play.. these are the typical components of a drug are they not? YOU DO NOT GAIN ANYTHING FROM IT.. why do people not realize this? THE ONE argument people can make for it is that it's very social and increases your socialskills, but does it? How does sitting in a room for 8 hours playing a game increase your social skill? How does talking to random people about the same things which don't exist and have no meaning and who you will ultimately never talk to again have any impact whatsoever on your social skills? Oh wait... they reduce them.. my bad. YOU CANNOT PLAY NORMALLY FOR SHORT TIMES. This is the most [developmentally delayed]ed thing ever. I can smoke once a day and it's fine as well.. NO. For most people who enjoy it , it becomes a habit, and ultimately it's like drugs. You can try drugs but there are two consequences. You like it and continue slowly destroying yourself until you die/stop, or you don't like it and you don't take it anymore. Ultimately they point to the same solution, stop. This [cabbage] has really got to stop.. they need to make anti-MMORPG campaigns and post them around the place. I used to be an addict myself, it's fun while you play, you tell yourself you're playing for fun and to be social.. BUT YOU"RE NOT! Think about it... you play everyday or whatever, and then ultimately as it goes you leave/quit the game. Congratulations, there goes X(500?) hours of your life which you could have done ANYTHING and you would have been more productive. Did anyone else notice this disturbing and destabilising trend appearing?What do you think of it? Do you agree with my views or do you think I'm completely and utterly wrong? And no offence but the [developmentally delayed]s spamming in here about [cabbage] can go and die, you are the people who I'm trying to help, and you are the ones who are screwing yourselves over. 1600 posts today, 4500 posts tomorrow.. happened to me, it will happen to you.