loadsa interesting points amde here. personally im lv 83, 1204 total i think and i am not going to be getting a whip. personally i love my dragon scimitar that much. monkey madness was a nice worthy quest to bring to light this lovely wep, i often hit 14-17 which frankly is fine for somene with only 65 str. you just have to ask yourself, for a thirtieth of the price d scimmy is almost as good as the whip, trust me i borrowed my mates to see what dmg i could do, was about the same. obviously as a low lv the difference would be small but im just not that bothered aobut them. money is yeah easy to make, i can choose between nats, yews, alching yew longs, making and selling them...god knows i could get enough for a whip in a day or 2 but i dont have the time. i will probably save up for a barrows set, either veracs or more propbably guthans but that will be after imlv 70 in everything so ive got plenty of time. whips aer excactly like granite4 mauls on a much larger scale. the first perosn i ever saw with a g maul bought it for 500k and killed me in castle wars by hiting me for 3 hits around 20 dmg a piece. right now ur lucky to get 100k for them. whips will get to about 2 mil and stabalise, there may be a few fluctuations when new items are released but i cant see then going below 2 mil