Interesting choice of words there. Murder meaning the unlawful killing of a human and torture being pain for the sake of pain inflicted for punishment or to extract information... Neither of which apply to animals. You might as well accuse people of treason or fraud against animals, it would be just as ludicrous. As for 'letting nature' further our species, that's just nonsensical hippytalk. Every species fights for their advancement and survival, it is the entire purpose of life. To deliberately hamper your progress is NOT natural. What almost every animal rights activist/terrorist seems to forget is that animals kill other animals - it happens everywhere and it happens all the time. They don't call it unnatural when an omnivorous animal like a dog kills a rabbit to eat, humans are animals too so to not extend the same reasoning to us is unfair. Just because we have more advanced means of obtaining prey doesn't mean it isn't natural. Nature isn't a mystical magic force that dictates what will happen. To suggest that we are the only creatures on the entire planet that can somehow transcend nature is pretty arrogant. Ah yes, not much thought was put into this. In Africa, lions eat zebras. They have to to survive, they live just on what they need. They are a happy ecosystem. How can you say the compsumption of humans isfair, when most populated countries waste 20 percent of their food product, which would be millions of animals slaughtered for no reason what so ever. What about people killing tigers for fur? They wont be here in 10 years, if the fur trade isnt stopped to a standstill. Is this fair? Put yourself in the animals position - Killed so that someone else can look " fashionable" I don't see a lioness bringing down an antelope and wearing its hide for fashion. Another example - the native americans. There existence with the buffalo was perfect, they depended on and killed the buffalo, but respected them and never took more than they needed. A happy existence, lasted for more than 50, 000 years. Then the settlers came, hunted down every buffalo they could out of greed till the numbers went from 6 million to about 100. I dont see this as fair either. My point is- Killing other animals to survive is fair, taking more than we need which we are doing now, is defenitely not fair. Please think before making another post like that.