Dazuz

Of course after you started mass sniping. The only way to counter it in mass numbers is to mass snipe back. We would have lost if we'd have tried to keep piling the whole war. It was a bit of a cheap shot and not good one, but it was mainly directed at THE. And I said it mainly because I've had a few similar experiences with Gladz in the past, so it all fits together if you think about it hard enough. But yeah, it was Unnecessary. EDIT: That's nothing new. And I'm pretty sure I said (at least in IRC) that the topic wasn't as discreet as it should have been, but you can still get the main idea from it. I'm enjoying the victory by posting here. The war wasn't as good as it could have been, but I'm enjoying the aftermath. I'm pretty sure we got the video and pictures of your members starting to snipe us, but no evidence that a single T0 member sniped you. And the "mass" part isn't the biggest problem, the problem is that you started to snipe even though it was against the rules when you were losing and now you're blaming us for sniping. The reason why I was comparing THE and Gladz was that I've had more than one similar experience with both of the clans, and since the Gladz member started posting a bit "mean" posts, I decided to take the cheap shop and remind them about their own history. EDIT #2: Fixed a small typo! Blame IJ4.

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Dazuz replied to Jack's topic in Wars & Run-Ins

lol used to have respect for you, Don't see why you even had to bring gladz into the topic, I don't see anyone complaining about us mass sniping. I'm glad you've shown interest about our masses, but I can assure you we can mass more than 20, I find it amusing you can make fun of anyones masses when t0 themselves started with less than 20 people! :thumbsup: So maybe worry about your clans masses before worrying about our masses, ty :thumbup: Finally something positive achieved. I guess I mentioned Gladz because one of your member posted in the topic ("A simple mention would have sufficed. If anything, it's slightly worrying that your pile was weakened so severely by their mass sniping.") and partly because I've seen Gladz do the same to DW when DW was outnumbered by ~8. I'm sure you can see the similarity between THE and Gladz. Also, like I said, it was a cheap shot. Massing part was mainly directed at THE, but whatever. Actually we've been pulling pretty good lately when you look at the number of members we got. Also, the war wasn't at the best time for us and we had over 20 in the war more than once. I'm worrying about THE's pulling abilities because they seem to start mass sniping only when they can't win, so maybe if they're able to pull enough, they MAY STICK TO THE RULES. I'd be worried if we'd pull only ~30% of our ML. EDIT: You say we broke the rules, but you got no evidence. I'll end it as soon as you learn to read the rules or find some EVIDENCE for your accusations. What did you exactly expect to happen when you started to mass snipe? And I agree both are losing in a way. The topic was made in a bad way, but I enjoy posting in topics like these.

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Dazuz replied to Jack's topic in Wars & Run-Ins

Exactly, we're the ones who started (mass) sniping right? We're the one who don't have any proof, right? You're the one screaming accusations here without any proof and trying to flame us. Maybe you missed the point where I told you that we were nice enough to send only 3-4 snipers. It wasn't what I wanted (it's not as good as sending enough people to mess up your whole pile), but at least we started gaining a lead after that. Don't act like you don't know how mass sniping works. Your whole clan is based on it and you're screwed if the other clan does it too. I'm pretty sure you've been telling us that you're one of the best clans ever, right? How did you lose to a low level and inexperienced clan like T0? You lost with so small difference in the kills because our leaders didn't want to start sniping. I think we started sniping back after the first 30 minutes and even then only 3-4 people were sniping. Even you know that it's not enough to mess up your whole pile. The whole idea of mass sniping is to stop the enemy from piling. Do you know what happens when the enemy is not piling or sniping? NOTHING. We had a clear lead at the start before you broke the rules. You started catching us in kills only after you started mass sniping. Could you tell some names? PLEASE? Pictures? Video? Anything? Even random parts of the names of the people who sniped? Please? You kept it close because our officials didn't want to mass snipe back and even when we started sniping back we sent only 3-4 to be nice. Not the best tactical move from us, but at least we didn't drop down to your level. You still haven't provided any evidence of our sniping. Also, you gave us 1 minute to check out your sniping accusation before you started mass sniping? Are you serious? Please try a bit harder next time when you try to find some excuse to start mass sniping. It's easy not to snipe and it's even easier not to mass snipe. It's not our fault if your clan's organization is as bad as it looks and sounds. Much rather not fight you again, but if I have to I hope it's mass sniping from the start. (That way you can't break the rules and scream some stupid accusations without any proof) Sure, but also letting others know that fighting THE is a bad idea if you want to set some rules. Hurting THE? Can please tell me how to do a topic like this without hurting them? Simple mention? Even you know that it wouldn't work. Please look at the video and you'll see ~10 THE members sniping our 15-17 player main pile. But then again, that's what Gladz does too. Of course I haven't fought you in a while, but last time you started mass sniping at the point when you were losing at had about ~5-8 man lead in players. Hey! Maybe Gladz and THE could join together! Maybe you would be able to pull over 20! (I know, I know cheap shot, but I had to!) You should really look at the video. We kept KO'ing THE's mighty snipers with ~15 players even while getting sniped like hell. THE tried everything they could and yet they lost and we didn't even have to sink to their level. EDIT: I was asked to be nicer to Gladz, so: I'm sorry! I didn't mean it! Gladz is nothing like THE! And back to hurting THE: I'm pretty sure there's a reason to hurt them and your "being nice to them" way doesn't work.

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Dazuz replied to Jack's topic in Wars & Run-Ins

Please tell us the names or give us some pictures. Are you sure that wasn't just an excuse? I mean if we look at the history, you can easily see that you've done something similar before. Also, one more time: if and when the piles meet or if and when you walk/ran through the enemy pile, you will get hit. That doesn't count as sniping. This is sniping: Oh wait, let me rephrase that: MASS SNIPING. I'm sure they did and I'm sure you keep telling that to them. I had a lot fun after T0 officials gave me freedom to snipe you just like I wanted to! The first 3 minutes without you sniping was nice too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luFG8THr0w Let's play RuneScape! Well, if Jack can't tell you that, I will: you can't control your members or your activity. You had over half of your pile walking around the map randomly. Watch the video. I'm pretty sure we didn't ask them to, but if we did: I agree. Just warning others. No you wouldn't. You'd say we're crying just because we lost. We won even though THE broke the rules and now we're warning other clans. Though it's pretty common knowledge that THE mass snipes, but it never hurts to say it one more time. Lets not try to take potshots now. Actually, if you look at the video, that's you next to our pile warning us. You know what REAL officials do when they even think that someone is breaking the rules? THEY TAKE ACTION. Just to make sure they spammed "stop sniping". Yet you haven't provided ANY names, pictures or anything of the snipers you're whining about. We got the whole video and multiple pictures of half of your members sniping. It sounds more like an excuse to start sniping. One more time: when there's even the slightest chance that someone is breaking the rules, you MUST do something. That's the way to CONTROL your clan. We're "flipping" because you've done it twice now. You can't control your members, so we're warning others. Of course they start slacking and we get disorganized when there's 10 people hitting us randomly. It really looked like you had your best tanks sniping and I've seen w141 teams do better snipe than you. And to skip your lovely ad of your nonexistent skills: are you telling me you weren't mass sniping? And yes, not that experienced and yet you lost and you've lost before. Only reason why you won the run in before this one is that you started mass sniping us. And not to sound mean, but you've been gone from top-10 for ages and top-10 now is pretty pathetic, but still better than it used to be. You're having problems with a small low leveled and inexperienced clan like T0, that's strange? According to your ad of your skills, you're one of the best, right? I wouldn't call it panic. More like "Oh nice, here we go again!". You're telling me about 15 player main pile is enough to KO your 10 snipers fast enough? Are you sure you aren't just trying to annoy us with your lovely lines? Anyway, could we go back to your accusation and get some proof? You can yell that stuff all you want, but it doesn't get you anywhere. You need a bit better trolling skills to annoy me and I'm not stopping. You can't really deny it. You've done it before and you had over half of your members running around the map randomly. You call that "control"? Though I hate mass sniping and rule breaking, I love the aftermath. It's always nice to talk with the enemy clan members and see their angry posts (without any proof).

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Dazuz replied to Jack's topic in Wars & Run-Ins

Let's start with our sniping: names, pictures or anything would be nice. I'm pretty sure every T0 member was aware that sniping was off, so it would be nice to see who broke the rule exactly. Just in case you walked/ran through our pile and got hit/bound: what did you exactly expect to happen? Didn't saw a single T0 member sniping, but I saw something amazing: Are you serious? over 66% of your members sniping? Are you sure your sniping didn't have anything to do with the fact that you were losing to a relatively new, low level and inexperienced clan? You've done it before. Some are most likely a bit annoyed (there's a reason for it), but I think this topic is more like a warning to other clans. It's never enjoyable to fight against clan like THE, so I'd myself much rather skip THE war offers/challenges in the future. Also, could you please show and/or explain how to tank without food and prayer? Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luFG8THr0w We did pretty bad overall and it took pretty long before our leaders decided to start sniping back, and even then we sent only 3-4 people to snipe. In my opinion we should have just mass sniped you and made you quit, but I think our leaders did the right decision to be nice. I know it's hard to grasp, but losing can be fun too. There's always something you can do better and it's easier to figure out what when you're losing. Of course it could be just me, but I like improving. Just a little side note that may help you: it's a bad idea to send people to snipe when they aren't even ready to get piled. I think we got around 10 kills off your snipers by just KO'ing them in a few seconds. Also, it's a bad idea to snipe in a run in anyway when kills count. EDIT: A bit late, but whatever. About the "you" and "snipe" picture Loose_Of_THE posted: did you watch the video? Did you find the same shot from the video? Even though ICHIROO is amazing, even he wouldn't read and type that line in 500 ms while warring. Nonetheless, he didn't mean that T0 started sniping. He just said that you're saying we started: "They're like" - "You started it" Makes sense, huh? Could you please stop quote mining? It's a funny thing what you can do with a video!

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