Killing bots (& way to get old wildiness back)

[TeamBloody]

Caution: Bots are really hard to deal with and so theres no best way. Mine here maybe just a better way out of all the worst. So please dont yell at me if you dont like so -.-

 

 

 

The newupdate really bothered me much so I decide to make up some suggestion and maybe this works.

 

 

 

First of all, we need to understand that all those bots companies are just profit making companies. They only work for money and operate for profit. Seeing this, theres actually 2 ways to stop them operational.

 

 

 

The 1st way is to make them impossible to make profit. As we can see, what Jagex doing now is to stop them making any profit (by making them impossible to transfer their money to buyers' account). However, this is finitely a bad way because all every players are affected. This not only kill the bots but everyone on earth who plays runescape.

 

 

 

Therefore, we should concentrate on the 2nd way, which is, make their operational cost over they profit they can made. I will take Yew Logs in F2P as an example just to make my thread shorter.

 

 

 

F2p yew logs bots are everywhere but also hard to catch.. not because their huge numbers, but also they spread in all world in everywhere. Here is the propertes of those botties.

 

 

 

1. Bots are low lvs because .. they have to work and no train to train.

 

2. Bots always have a unique bot uniforms because.. they are bots.

 

 

 

In there we can see that.. All the bots companies try to lower their operational cost by making all their bots file simple; they just need 60 lv woodcutting to cut yews.

 

 

 

Of those many methods to higher their operational cost, we can set up more restriction in a way that bother other innocent players less.

 

 

 

For example, Jagex could make some settings that only cb lv 60+ can cut all the yews in wherever they want. For those cb lv 60 -, they will have to cut yews in a certain place (eg.edgevill) in some certain servers (eg. world 125, 126). This kind of settings will give us better advantage when killing the bots while least impact on other players:

 

 

 

1. Letting them all into a certain place and certain world will definitely lower they production cost as their amount of trees avaliable will just drop to a few. We can imagine how awsome if theres like few hundred of bots all sticking in edgevill cutting that two yews. At this point, if you still dont get it, I am scared that I can explain to you further. Sorry.

 

 

 

2. When all the bots are forced to stay in one place. It is easier for the Jagex mods to catch them and ban them. I suppose the jagex mod can just standing deside the edgevill yew trees and wait for the bots to come. It will be much better than running everywhere for catching them.

 

 

 

3. Some may say that the bots can still use some combat scripts to train themselves to 60lv+, so it wouldnt help at all. However, we can just think of how much time does a bot needed to train his cb to 60+ as well as his woodcutting to 60. This will definitely increase the bots companies operatinal cost and make them harder to make easy money. By the way, Jagex can still ban the bots in other places. Imagine, the bots companies spend 4 days to train 10 bots to 60+ cb and 60 wc lv. Then later, the jagex mod just ban them in 10 seconds.

 

 

 

4. How about those low lv or lv3 skillers?? Well, we have heard a lot of those low lvs skillers, however, in the reality, how often do you really see a low lv skiller out of the toal runescape population. In here skillers can still cut their yews but have to be restricted into a certain areas. Sometime for the sake of the majority, sometimes we have to give up something. And guys listen up, I never mean to give up sometimes because I am nice. If jagex really do this and if you are patient enough, eventually you will see all the bots companies will found that setting hundreds of bots in edgevill cutting 2 yew trees for commerial usage. Therefore, they will just qut their bots industry in wood cutting. So, all the woodcutters (lower lvs and high lvs) will then be better off.

 

 

 

5. If you dont really get it, then just think of: you are working in a bots companies that is responsible for cutting yews. And now, Jagex only let your botties to cut yews in w125 edgevill ^^

 

 

 

If you get what I mean (sorry, my writting stinks), then you will know how this also apply to mining, fishing and all other bots' possible skills.

 

 

 

I think this method is still not the best one but at least better than what jagex is doing now. By the way, This is not a completed proposal and still need more advice from you guys for improvement. Thank you.

 

 

 

Finally, please dont forget to give me a vouch if you like this idea or think it is pretty good.

[highlanders]

Ok, so you propose that we put combat level caps on activities that bots do. Except at a few spots, which would be used to focus all the problem at the same spot. Then Jagex would dispatch mods to ban all teh botters in these focus spots.

 

 

 

Well, I see four problems with this:

 

-Bots can relatively easily bot their way up to 60 combat since they can play 24/7

 

- Bot owners would not be stupid enough to send their botters to the focus spots, because they would know their botter would get banned there. They would get 60 combat first so that they can use the legitimate spots.

 

- Honest players using the focus spots could get banned by mistake.

 

- Incoherence in roleplay. Level 60 combat require to fish a lobster, why?

[TeamBloody]

 

Well, I see four problems with this:

 

-Bots can relatively easily bot their way up to 60 combat since they can play 24/7

 

- Bot owners would not be stupid enough to send their botters to the focus spots, because they would know their botter would get banned there. They would get 60 combat first so that they can use the legitimate spots.

 

- Honest players using the focus spots could get banned by mistake.

 

- Incoherence in roleplay. Level 60 combat require to fish a lobster, why?

 

 

 

Thankz for reading my thread and raise up problems here.

 

 

 

1st. Cb lv 60 is just a reference and its not necassary have to be. Jagex can just set it to cb 50 or 70 or even have requirements on the total lvs (eg total lv over 800 for cutting yews). They should do whatever that make the bots companies cost more so botting on yews wont be that easy.

 

In addition, even the bots have no lfe but we adding such restriction, they will have to use more than double time to train a yews cutter. It implies that the efficiency of the botters will drop by more than 50%.

 

 

 

2nd. You say botters are not stupid enough to cut yews in those certain spots. This is not a problem. This is actually what our goal is: To drive out all the bots from the woodcutting industry.

 

 

 

3rd. If Jagex is stupid enough to fail distinguishing the difference between bots and honest players. This game shall be closed down. Or I will say, if you are an 'honest player' who chop yews in those certain areas, shoudnt you become more careful and always aware if theres a mod beside you??

 

 

 

4th. Fishing lobster does not necessary require cb 60. Its kinda silly of asking me why as the answwer is already obvious. We adding such restriction are just to higher the bots operational cost and eventually force them to withdraw the game. Again, if you dont get it, I may ask you why jagex suddenly set up those 3k trading limit and take away the wildiness pking zone.

 

 

 

I am here using the example of shark bots and hope this will help:

 

 

 

Observing all the bots activities in runescape, we can see there Jagex have won 2 and the only 2 battles against the bots. 1 was the pure ess settings and Jagex did work out a good job. The another 1 is sharks. Last year, because of a large number of bots, shark was once dropped to $400 each. But fortunately, the jagex mods banning those bots like hell and finally make the price of sharks raise back to 800 to 900 before the grand exchange come up.

 

 

 

Sharks went through a depression stage where they were as low as 400gp each, but have recovered slightly after mass bannings of macro bots.

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Shark

 

 

 

Other than Jagex's hard work, theres some more reason contributed to the victory.

 

 

 

1. Fishing lv 76 is required to fish sharks. This cost the bots much time and get 76 fishing. Therefore, the bots companies are not willing to reproduce the files under the massive banning.

 

 

 

2. There is only 2 fish spot for bots: Fishing Guild and the Cammy fish spot. Because of this 2 of the only 2 concentrated spot, Jagex can banthe bots more effective with much less effort.

[D4rk_Dr34m3r]

^ Above post.

 

 

 

Also, Jagex figures that this is the only way to stop RWT, even if it means hurting the RS people. Setting limits for combat in some areas for wood cutting just wouldn't make sense. That's basically the same as putting high level monsters around raw materials. Jagex isn't going to do that for something like yews. I know that the bots are annoying at the yews in f2p, as I'm cutting a bunch of yews since I'm f2p. Still, these changes really aren't needed for a "better Runescape".

 

 

 

Also, even if Jagex mods stood around Edgevile and banned bots by the hundreds, bots are easy to make. Also, bots aren't exclusive to just yews, Jagex would have to have mods out 24/7 in all of these certian areas that don't have combat requirements.

[TeamBloody]

 

Also, Jagex figures that this is the only way to stop RWT, even if it means hurting the RS people. Setting limits for combat in some areas for wood cutting just wouldn't make sense. That's basically the same as putting high level monsters around raw materials. Jagex isn't going to do that for something like yews. I know that the bots are annoying at the yews in f2p, as I'm cutting a bunch of yews since I'm f2p. Still, these changes really aren't needed for a "better Runescape".

 

 

 

Also, even if Jagex mods stood around Edgevile and banned bots by the hundreds, bots are easy to make. Also, bots aren't exclusive to just yews, Jagex would have to have mods out 24/7 in all of these certian areas that don't have combat requirements.

 

 

 

For sure, some other suggestions (eg. trade restriction) can be combined to stop the bots in a better way. But here I will focus on restriction for comat in certain areas.

 

Here the situation is: Runescape has no more good because of the bots killing its economy. How come killing the bots not letting Runescape a 'better Runescape'? Also, bots itself is hard to deal with and I cant see theres any method that killing bots while giving you a real 'better Runescape'.

 

Bots are easy to make. Therefore, we set up more restrictions on it so they are harder to make.

 

Of caz the Jagex mod wont be standing at a certain spot for 24/7 or else there will be no more bots. I think you will agree that Bots can never be killed. We are just here to think so some methods such that the bots companies cant make money that easy.

 

 

 

One more thing I wanna ask you?? Of the total population of runescape, how many of them would really getting their woodcutting lvs to 60 before they reach their cb lvs to 60?? Say like I am pretty sure your cb lv is over 60. \ Meanwhile, I never mean to kill the low lvs skillers as they can also chop their woods, but in some certain areas.