New Drawing Lessons -------New Section and updates

[tttia]

EDIT:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New version, fixed some problems, added a section on perspective.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I need help testing these drawing lessons. I am going to give a class soon and want some feedback.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are in pdf format. The file is 2 MB (11 pages). So please do not start if you don't want to download that large of a file. It just wastes bandwidth that way. They are designed to allow you to download the pdf, print it and use the paper that you printed to do the actual lesson on. The exercises that I had before are largely present , as well as some others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I REALLY WANT SOME PEOPLE TO TRY THEM WHO DO NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT DRAWING!!!!! But others can use them too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://rs_vultures.tripod.com/drawclassosesion1.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you download it I ask that you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Leave your name here letting me know, as well as how much drawing you have done before. (Are you a beginner? Been doing it for a while? )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Try them out and give me some feedback.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once about 100 people have checked them out (if that many!) I will take the link down to prevent overloading of the server. So be the first in line!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If folks like the lessons I will see about some way to host them on a regular basis for the community.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Future parts of the lessons will include:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perspective, horizon line, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tips for specific types of dawing (landscapes, figure, portrait etc.)

[venomai]

WOAH. very nice. I've already read some of it, but I loved the step about foreshortening! I need serious help with that :x

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's too bad it's in pdf though.. it looks all messy for me. Maybe it's just my comp, but not all of the stuff seems to line up properly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Will have to test out some of the lessons tonight :) I'll get back to you soon on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ps: free web hosting at http://www.explosive-hosting.com, if you eventually think of changing it to HTML i'd highly recommend this host over the others

[tttia]

ah, thanks for the tips on hosting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Er not sure why a pdf wouldn't line up. That is the whole reason pdf's exist....a ubiquitous standard for document distribution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want it in Wordperfect I could also do that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Word...er..I could do that but would take serious conversion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Html...I might do that down the line. For now I did pdf because I plan to print it off and use ith with the participants. Also because it is standardized...or should be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did notice one mistake...there is overlap on the spoon image. I will fix that later.

[tttia]

Upon further investigation I see that my method of construction could account for some of the jumbled items. I will attempt to remedy it.

[venomai]

Here's a screenshot of the errors i'm getting.

 

 

 

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3294/ohno3xf.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But wait, I just realized it's not opening in Acrobat (don't have on my comp) but just in the browser (possibly a XP only thing?). Is getting acrobat the only way to view it properly?

[tttia]

The formatting should be the same in the browser. It should open in a browser version of acrobat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those look like the same ones I got before I edited it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You might try making sure it is not opening a cached version from your temp internet files so that you still see the same errors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To make sure you have the new version, are the spoons still overlapping?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If so you are still seeing the old version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Were these errors after the update?

[cupcake]

Looks reasonable, those logic excercise are good. I don't like the first exercise though, I am not a big fan on writing stuff :cry: ..A short sentence/phrase of description pointing at a particular part of the picture are more interesting than writing an essay on what you see on the tomato.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know but I think they should learn how to shade with lines first, what did you call it? crosshatching? I found them easier to do. I knew couple of people became quite handy with crosshatching by looking at comics. With lessons it will be even easier. Most important of all is they'll have a better concept on shading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It took me a while to able to shade a circle like that. (Or I am just so untalented) Those outlines aren't the best items for a beginner to shade. Start with simple shapes like cube, cone..etc first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe make them use crosshatching to shade a circle by using a sharp pencil , then tell them to use the pencil to shade in the correct tone judge from the density of the lines. Do a few more and practice without any reference from crosshatching.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just some suggestion on what I think would be better.

[tttia]

An essay is not what I had in mind. They should be just putting short words or fragments. Anything to get the thought down. I might need to edit the description. Of course, I am using it in a class setting, but I want it so clear that you could use it without it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the suggestions.

[venomai]

Alright, I'm on a diff comp (with adobe reader, I guess my other one didn't have it) and it seems to look a lot more organized. The only problem now is that Week1-excercise 3 doesn't appear on its own page.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are my honest opinions on the lessons, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You say you'll be teaching this in a class? Will it be adults, teens, children, or what?

 

 

 

The first part, for example, probably wouldn't be appropriate for teens, they'd probably find it silly or unnecessary. Even I would be reluctant to do this, and I'm a lot more keen at drawing than the average teen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An idea of how you could create this lesson more interesting (I'm sure even some adults would find this an unnecessary step for drawing) would be to remove the picture of an apple and replace it with an actual apple.

 

 

 

Of course, depending on the size of the class, you may not be able to hand out an apple to every one of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also don't think blending should be something you're encouraging to beginners like this. As a beginner, I'm finding it extremely difficult to get good shading through blending. Instead of blending, I use the pencil to imitate a blended effect (soft strokes to hard strokes, sometimes swapping pencils). I'll usually only blend backgrounds (ie: out of focus) or shadows. Otherwise, especially if I use tissues, it smears & smudges my shading, and goes completely out of control. I'm sure a lot of other beginners would feel the same, especially beginners of that magnitude!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also think you should go into detail on tools; switching between pencil thickness, different positions on holding the pencil, or using sharp erasers is a big help for me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lastly, I think it would be good to introduce more info on perspective before diving into foreshortening. Since I'm assuming you'll be teaching complete beginners, a lot of them won't have a clue about perspectives, vanishing points, etc, and may have trouble understanding about foreshortening.

[tttia]

Thanks. I plan to include some of your suggestions in my next iterration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, I think what I will do on the look at the picture thing (pretty sure that is a tomato by the way), is to pick a picture with quite a bit of detail, have them look at it, then go to next page with questions, which they answer WITHOUT looking at the image. That would make it more fun, more of a challenge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And would require less writing...woudl be multiple choice for the most part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the suggestions all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am also going to make more primitive shapes for them to shade first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to the blending...the blending itself is not terribly necessary, just looking for dark to light tones.

[tttia]

New version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

changes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-I took out the writing exercise altogether. Was just too boring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-used simpler objects for initial shading

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-added a section on perspective.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- all exercises should more or less be on their own page now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that tomato picture must have been large, it is now only 1.6 mb despite being longer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for all the feedback!

[monkey_933]

Uhm..i cant draw for anything, hell ask nad..i have trouble with stick people.

[Nadril]

Yeah... I don't think that even the best guide in the world would help him >_>.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll have to check this out tttia :)

[tttia]

Don't know until you try! And then I can get a real test!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Nad. It has some of the things that the one in the sticky does, but more sections added, and more exercises.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think most folks here would benefit from the perspective section. I wanted to add even more, but this is supposed to be basic.