So like, banning bug abusers?

[Danqazmlp]

So yeah, a while ago in a thread here i was told something along the lines of bug abusers will get punishments on tipit if it can be shown they've bug abused. Can't remember the exact words but it was something like that.

 

 

 

Anyway, If you check out the Most recent locked thread in Gen Discussion, about the PVP bug etc, there are a few tipit accounts that have said they abused the bug, and should be given punishments really.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But

 

 

 

 

 

That isn't what this thread is about, it's wondering wether we can get a solid rule, in the tipit rules warning about Tipit users abusing Rs bugs and bringing them here to tipit. With tipit soon to be affilitated officially with rs (maybe?), should we not have a solid rule about Tipit accounts possibly being banned if they admit to, or proof is given of them bug abusing in rs? This is remember, a RS fansite, what's the point of having people who abuse the game hanging around here?

[pureprayer]

Look at post subject

 

 

 

Anyway Darkdude98 said anyone admitting to glitching might have offense taken against their account.

 

 

 

I'd also like to remind people that saying you ABUSED bugs is against the rules and will result in that post being removed and perhaps further action taken against you.

[obfuscator]

It's an interesting question. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

[Phil]

it's wondering wether we can get a solid rule, in the tipit rules warning about Tipit users abusing Rs bugs and bringing them here to tipit. With tipit soon to be affilitated officially with rs (maybe?), should we not have a solid rule about Tipit accounts possibly being banned if they admit to, or proof is given of them bug abusing in rs?

 

"1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums."

 

 

 

Not solid enough?

[obfuscator]

it's wondering wether we can get a solid rule, in the tipit rules warning about Tipit users abusing Rs bugs and bringing them here to tipit. With tipit soon to be affilitated officially with rs (maybe?), should we not have a solid rule about Tipit accounts possibly being banned if they admit to, or proof is given of them bug abusing in rs?

 

"1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums."

 

 

 

Not solid enough?

 

Well his point is that many people have not only admitted to bug abuse but made topics, bragged etc, and no action has ever been taken.

 

 

 

I don't personally agree with the rule as it is, but it is a rule, that doesn't appear to be being enforced.

[compfreak847]

it's wondering wether we can get a solid rule, in the tipit rules warning about Tipit users abusing Rs bugs and bringing them here to tipit. With tipit soon to be affilitated officially with rs (maybe?), should we not have a solid rule about Tipit accounts possibly being banned if they admit to, or proof is given of them bug abusing in rs?

 

"1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums."

 

 

 

Not solid enough?

 

Not at all. Let me give an example from yesterday: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=790777#p6588310

 

they're dropping because of the pvp glitch, i got like 50 glories from it alone.

 

 

 

Not solid enough? I could point to literally dozens of posts in General Discussion, and quite a few in the picture thread by various people bragging about abusing the glitch and posting screenshots etc, all remaining unbanned as of the time of this post. I could mention a few notorious examples like I'm sure Dan is referring to, but it voilated the "names" rule, so I'll refer to it simply as "The unknown account rhyming with "husky"". Husky, as this account is referred to hereafter, posted dozens of times bragging about abusing the glitch, posting screenshots of drops and usage of it. Mods responded by deleting the posts after a few days, posting something about spamming, and promptly dropping the whole issue. The rules make no bones about it - admit to breaking RS rules, and your instantly perm banned from TIF. What happened to that? It was over a month ago, either the admins haven't logged in in a reeeely long time or the rules aren't being observed as they should be.

[Rainy_Day]

 

"1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums."

 

 

 

Not solid enough?

 

Not at all. Let me give an example from yesterday: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=790777#p6588310

 

they're dropping because of the pvp glitch, i got like 50 glories from it alone.

 

 

 

Not solid enough? I could point to literally dozens of posts in General Discussion, and quite a few in the picture thread by various people bragging about abusing the glitch and posting screenshots etc, all remaining unbanned as of the time of this post. I could mention a few notorious examples like I'm sure Dan is referring to, but it voilated the "names" rule, so I'll refer to it simply as "The unknown account rhyming with "husky"". Husky, as this account is referred to hereafter, posted dozens of times bragging about abusing the glitch, posting screenshots of drops and usage of it. Mods responded by deleting the posts after a few days, posting something about spamming, and promptly dropping the whole issue. The rules make no bones about it - admit to breaking RS rules, and your instantly perm banned from TIF. What happened to that? It was over a month ago, either the admins haven't logged in in a reeeely long time or the rules aren't being observed as they should be.

 

 

 

My interpretation of;

 

1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

 

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums

 

 

 

Is that if you actually break their rules on this forum (Selling an account, etc), then you will be banned. But admitting to doing it in the past does not mean they will be permanently banned (as what evidence would we have?), in most cases people are warned for their behaviour. I see nothing in the rules that says admitting to doing it will result in a ban.

[DarkDude]

it's wondering wether we can get a solid rule, in the tipit rules warning about Tipit users abusing Rs bugs and bringing them here to tipit. With tipit soon to be affilitated officially with rs (maybe?), should we not have a solid rule about Tipit accounts possibly being banned if they admit to, or proof is given of them bug abusing in rs?

 

"1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums."

 

 

 

Not solid enough?

 

Not at all. Let me give an example from yesterday: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=790777#p6588310

 

they're dropping because of the pvp glitch, i got like 50 glories from it alone.

 

 

 

Not solid enough? I could point to literally dozens of posts in General Discussion, and quite a few in the picture thread by various people bragging about abusing the glitch and posting screenshots etc, all remaining unbanned as of the time of this post. I could mention a few notorious examples like I'm sure Dan is referring to, but it voilated the "names" rule, so I'll refer to it simply as "The unknown account rhyming with "husky"". Husky, as this account is referred to hereafter, posted dozens of times bragging about abusing the glitch, posting screenshots of drops and usage of it. Mods responded by deleting the posts after a few days, posting something about spamming, and promptly dropping the whole issue. The rules make no bones about it - admit to breaking RS rules, and your instantly perm banned from TIF. What happened to that? It was over a month ago, either the admins haven't logged in in a reeeely long time or the rules aren't being observed as they should be.

 

 

 

And how do you know further action wasn't taken? You have NO idea of what happens "behind the scenes", you don't know what action we take in certain cases so quit saying we don't do anything, all the posts I've seen from you recently have been complaining about us moderators not doing our job properly well I can inform you that we ARE doing our job.

 

 

 

The rules state it is CAUSE for being permanently banned, that does NOT mean that we have to permanently ban someone for doing so, we can take lesser action if it's warranted and if needed to we will ban. Most of the Jagex rules are very vague, on top of this they are suitable for their game/website and not all of their rules make sense having on these forums too. Admitting to ABUSING bugs is against the rules and depending on the severity of the abuse and what bug it is (obviously if it's a harmless bug then we'd not do anything about it, as that's not abuse) action will be taken, this can vary from a locked topic, to a warning, to some sort of ban.

 

 

 

We can't see every single post ever made on these forums so if you see a post which breaks the rules then REPORT IT, the report button is there for a reason.

[Danqazmlp]

I'm not saying mods aren't doing anything, but it is hard for mods to take action when the rule can be read in different ways, making it hard to enforce, which is why i'm asking for a clarified version of the rule.

 

 

 

And to be honest, a punishment for this rule should be a visible punishment and not behind the scenes, half of a punishment imo is a deterrant to other people thinking of breaking the rules, if we carry on seeing people bragging about breaking the RS rules here, it will become more and more common untill we end up looking like a place that is filled with rule breakers.

[DarkDude]

The only punishment that is visible are locked topics and permanent bans (And temporary bans over a certain length). All other action that is taken against users is private and not allowed to be discussed (be it a warning or whatever).

 

 

 

As for clarification, it's hard to do as each situation will be different. The definition of what a bug is doesn't help either, for example safe spots in the sara gwd boss room were technically "bugs" as Jagex didn't intend them to be there but using them doesn't count as bug abuse as it could very well have been a "feature". The best thing to do is if you're unsure on if a post is against the rules is to report it anyway, it doesn't do any harm and the moderator who handles the report will decide if it breaks the rules or not. It's annoying for us as well as you that we can't clarify it more than that but if we had to list ever single individual scenario then the list of rules would be miles long. Just use your common sense when it comes to things you're posting to avoid getting in trouble, if you're unsure if a post you want to make would be against the rules or not, ask a moderator first and they should be able to help you before you post it.

 

 

 

Hopefully that helps.

[compfreak847]

 

My interpretation of;

 

1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

 

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums

 

 

 

Is that if you actually break their rules on this forum (Selling an account, etc), then you will be banned. But admitting to doing it in the past does not mean they will be permanently banned (as what evidence would we have?), in most cases people are warned for their behaviour. I see nothing in the rules that says admitting to doing it will result in a ban.

 

Oh, so you just mean that actually violating the rules (using language, macroing) in things unrelated to RS are bannable? It clears that up, but I wasn't aware that people could brag about glitches without receiving anything other then a mild slap of the hand and post removal. The way I read it was quite simple and easy to follow: Ban for bragging about\posting screenhots\continuing after a mod has removed posted and posted to stop several times, and I was confused as to why it wasn't happening. I guess TIF has no rules for bragging about bug abusing to gain massive amounts of wealth as well as posting screenshots and detailing methods required. IMO it's a perm ban worthy offense (just like it is on RS), but I guess the mods don't see it that way.

[DarkDude]

 

My interpretation of;

 

1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

 

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums

 

 

 

Is that if you actually break their rules on this forum (Selling an account, etc), then you will be banned. But admitting to doing it in the past does not mean they will be permanently banned (as what evidence would we have?), in most cases people are warned for their behaviour. I see nothing in the rules that says admitting to doing it will result in a ban.

 

Oh, so you just mean that actually violating the rules (using language, macroing) in things unrelated to RS are bannable? It clears that up, but I wasn't aware that people could brag about glitches without receiving anything other then a mild slap of the hand and post removal. The way I read it was quite simple and easy to follow: Ban for bragging about\posting screenhots\continuing after a mod has removed posted and posted to stop several times, and I was confused as to why it wasn't happening. I guess TIF has no rules for bragging about bug abusing to gain massive amounts of wealth as well as posting screenshots and detailing methods required. IMO it's a perm ban worthy offense (just like it is on RS), but I guess the mods don't see it that way.

 

 

 

Report the posts instead of whining about it. we're not mind readers there's no way we can tell what posts you are talking about.

[compfreak847]

 

My interpretation of;

 

1.1 - Breaking or encouraging others to break any of Jagex's rules

 

 

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums

 

 

 

Is that if you actually break their rules on this forum (Selling an account, etc), then you will be banned. But admitting to doing it in the past does not mean they will be permanently banned (as what evidence would we have?), in most cases people are warned for their behaviour. I see nothing in the rules that says admitting to doing it will result in a ban.

 

Oh, so you just mean that actually violating the rules (using language, macroing) in things unrelated to RS are bannable? It clears that up, but I wasn't aware that people could brag about glitches without receiving anything other then a mild slap of the hand and post removal. The way I read it was quite simple and easy to follow: Ban for bragging about\posting screenhots\continuing after a mod has removed posted and posted to stop several times, and I was confused as to why it wasn't happening. I guess TIF has no rules for bragging about bug abusing to gain massive amounts of wealth as well as posting screenshots and detailing methods required. IMO it's a perm ban worthy offense (just like it is on RS), but I guess the mods don't see it that way.

 

 

 

Report the posts instead of whining about it. we're not mind readers there's no way we can tell what posts you are talking about.

 

I'm not talking about specific posts, I'm talking about rules in general. I linked to a few posts to show an example, but I'm not referring to specific things. I'm just saying I don't like that (according to you) there is nothing in the rules about penalties for bragging about, posting screenshots, and teaching other TIF users how to break RS rules to gain an unfair advantage. Yes, a moderator (at his discretion) can give a slap on the hand in the forum of a few day ban, post removal, or warning, but there's nothing serious, unlike the RS consequences. In my opinion, it's very similar to the argument over RuneHQ RWT advertisements a year or two ago. Should fansites ensure that rules of RS are strongly enforced, or shouuld they leave it alone and let users post bug abuses as they wish? As it stands, some TIF mods remove bug abuse posts, but even those who have posted many times are never given any lasting punishment. It's the mods stance, I'm just disagreeing with it and disliking the fact that there is no official rule about it.

[DarkDude]

Where did I say that? It clearly says in the rules that breaking RS rules (including admitting to bug abusing) can we have action taken - up to and including a permanent ban depending on the offence.

[compfreak847]

 

Where did I say that? It clearly says in the rules that breaking RS rules (including admitting to bug abusing) can we have action taken - up to and including a permanent ban depending on the offence.

 

Where do the rules say that? I might have overlooked them, but all I saw is the section 1.1 where it said rules like offensive language applied to TIF too #-o

[Kaphias]

 

Where did I say that? It clearly says in the rules that breaking RS rules (including admitting to bug abusing) can we have action taken - up to and including a permanent ban depending on the offence.

 

Where do the rules say that? I might have overlooked them, but all I saw is the section 1.1 where it said rules like offensive language applied to TIF too #-o

 

In section 1.1:

 

Violating Jagex's official RuneScape Rules on this forum is cause for being permanently banned from the Tip.it forums.

 

Now as we link ourselves to these RuneScape rules... Ah! rule 4, bug abuse.

 

 

 

Yes, it doesn't say bug abuse directly in the rules, (offensive language is there because it's a rule broken often) but by linking to the Runescape rules we show that breaking one of the rules on that page may be cause for action on our forums.

[Danqazmlp]

It's all good and well saying that, but it isn't being taken into action.

 

 

 

For example, as it currently stands, hypothetically, i could abuse a bug i find to dupe items, take a screenshot and post it here on tipit. I wouldn't say or show any relation to how its done, but i would say i've made x amount from it, saying something like 'haha i've made 400m so far from a dupe i've found!' with a screenshot of a phat set in my inv. I could post that here on tipit, and from the actions i've seen, the most (but rarely occuring) thing that would happen is the post deleted. More likely, any flame or spam afterwards would be deleted but with no punishment to me.

 

 

 

Now i just don't see that as the right way to go, in that instance i should be banned untill proof can be given i haven't done what i've said i had. It would also be good to see mods post, telling people not to bring bug abusing here to tipit as a deterrant, as i said before, alot of a punishment should be a deterrant to others.

[pureprayer]

Like Dan said, Tip.it keeps record of all your offenses even signatures that had to be removed.

 

 

 

If I do a lot of minor offenses, I will get a ban, saying you glitched in general should be a minor offense depending on the glitch. Repeatedly saying that should be a bigger offense because you spam, and admit it. If you post a video, and tell people how to do it it should be a temp ban, no questions asked.

 

 

 

Unless you can prove you did nothing and were lying, but you can still get offenses for spamming.

[DarkDude]

Like Dan said, Tip.it keeps record of all your offenses even signatures that had to be removed.

 

 

 

If I do a lot of minor offenses, I will get a ban, saying you glitched in general should be a minor offense depending on the glitch. Repeatedly saying that should be a bigger offense because you spam, and admit it. If you post a video, and tell people how to do it it should be a temp ban, no questions asked.

 

 

 

Unless you can prove you did nothing and were lying, but you can still get offenses for spamming.

 

 

 

This is pretty much the case, depending on the severity of the glitch and to what extent you abused it, the history on your account and a few other things will depend what action is taken. In most cases you will get a PM sent to you as a warning, or if the glitch is deemed bad enough/you post it a lot then the most likely course of action would be a temporary ban.

 

 

 

I can not go into what has happened to past offenders but I can say that more has happened then the post just being removed.

[pureprayer]

Also, if I post how to dupe items, or something of the sort. Perm ban.

[compfreak847]

 

Yes, it doesn't say bug abuse directly in the rules, (offensive language is there because it's a rule broken often) but by linking to the Runescape rules we show that breaking one of the rules on that page may be cause for action on our forums.

 

Bolded the part I have a problem with.

 

 

 

 

I can not go into what has happened to past offenders but I can say that more has happened then the post just being removed.

 

I'm going to drop this as I've stated my opinion, realized it differs from the mods, and have accepted that that is simply how it is. That being said, how much is there besides bans (including IP), warnings, and post removals?

 

 

 

 

Also, if I post how to dupe items, or something of the sort. Perm ban.

 

And that differs how from a detailed description of how to freeze another players character in BH to instantly get all of their items, as well as screenshots detailing step by step methods and loots obtained?

[pureprayer]

I never said I agreed with that. Should of been bans like crazy.

[DarkDude]

This is turning into a discussion of moderator actions which is not allowed - we've answered the original post, admitting to breaking RS rules is against the rules and you will get punished for doing so. What this punishment is varies from case to case and we can not say what punishments have been given out for certain cases in the past.