What's the new best defensive bind?

[Capt_Davy]

With the release of the new Occult floors in Daemonheim, I was wondering if this shifted the rankings in the "best defensive item to bind" category. Is shadow silk hood still the best, or is Promethium Platebody finally better? or something entirely different? I'm interested in everyone's opinions on this matter. :)

 

and on to a more personally-related subject: with a promethium 2h bound, and with my current stats, would I be best off with that defensive bind, or should I look for a sagittarian longbow (I'll have 99 ranged quite soon) or some other weapon?

[rangeor]

I don't know the answer, but were you the guy right behind me in the dung smith cc earlier today? I saw this thread and your name seems familiar :P

[Knight_Zaros]

Im no dung pro but from everything I've scene its always best plate.

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I'd rather say hood is even more necessary for the occult floors assuming you can efficiently work past the disables by mages/necros. Only new defensive item we got was the primal chain, and it's clearly inferior to the prom plate, which is still the best defensive item out there. As for binding a weapon instead of defensive, maybe if it's an empowered catalytic staff, ranged really blows at dungeoneering(with the exception of the bow that really doesn't exist), the only monsters you can't kill fast with melee are primal warriors, and ranged is even worse for them.

[P4duke]

I'd rather say hood is even more necessary for the occult floors assuming you can efficiently work past the disables by mages/necros. Only new defensive item we got was the primal chain, and it's clearly inferior to the prom plate, which is still the best defensive item out there. As for binding a weapon instead of defensive, maybe if it's an empowered catalytic staff, ranged really blows at dungeoneering(with the exception of the bow that really doesn't exist), the only monsters you can't kill fast with melee are primal warriors, and ranged is even worse for them.

 

Actually, for me (91 str, 95 attack, 96 range), ranging seems much easier than melee against high level warriors (like Primal and Prom).

[xpx]

I'd rather say hood is even more necessary for the occult floors assuming you can efficiently work past the disables by mages/necros. Only new defensive item we got was the primal chain, and it's clearly inferior to the prom plate, which is still the best defensive item out there. As for binding a weapon instead of defensive, maybe if it's an empowered catalytic staff, ranged really blows at dungeoneering(with the exception of the bow that really doesn't exist), the only monsters you can't kill fast with melee are primal warriors, and ranged is even worse for them.

 

Actually, for me (91 str, 95 attack, 96 range), ranging seems much easier than melee against high level warriors (like Primal and Prom).

Much easier in what way? If you mean being far away, letting your team get the hit while your dps is much worse than that of anyone else then surely, teaming isn't for you. Range is just very inefficient in dungeoneering as the monsters weak to it(mages) are quite weak to melee as well, primal warrior are weak to neither melee or range. If you bind a bow instead of hood you will likely be slaughtered by everything, also, it's unbelievebly easy to fletch yourself a good bow in a dungeon, much easier than say, get yourself a hood every dungeon.

[Capt_Davy]

Hey Rangeor, yup you guessed right :) i was the guy who was right behind you in the dung smith cc last night. I'd completely forgotten I'd seen you on Tip.it too :o

 

I'd rather say hood is even more necessary for the occult floors assuming you can efficiently work past the disables by mages/necros. Only new defensive item we got was the primal chain, and it's clearly inferior to the prom plate, which is still the best defensive item out there. As for binding a weapon instead of defensive, maybe if it's an empowered catalytic staff, ranged really blows at dungeoneering(with the exception of the bow that really doesn't exist), the only monsters you can't kill fast with melee are primal warriors, and ranged is even worse for them.

 

Actually, for me (91 str, 95 attack, 96 range), ranging seems much easier than melee against high level warriors (like Primal and Prom).

Much easier in what way? If you mean being far away, letting your team get the hit while your dps is much worse than that of anyone else then surely, teaming isn't for you. Range is just very inefficient in dungeoneering as the monsters weak to it(mages) are quite weak to melee as well, primal warrior are weak to neither melee or range. If you bind a bow instead of hood you will likely be slaughtered by everything, also, it's unbelievebly easy to fletch yourself a good bow in a dungeon, much easier than say, get yourself a hood every dungeon.

 

I agree, ranged does suck at dungeoneering, but I find that nothing really matches it when it comes to taking out mages, but never mind that (I'd have to give up shadow silk hood to bind a bow...).So far, I've taken that approach of fletching bows to range as needed. But as I know little to nothing about the Occult floors, I was wondering if ranged had become any more useful. And yes, from that standpoint, where melee and mage combo basically rules, it would be better to bind a celestial cataclysmic staff, except I find that when it is really helpful to mage (mostly on high levelled primal warriors), the enemy dies so quick that I don't know if it would be worth giving up that bind slot to speed up something already quick and easy.

 

In dungeoneering, I usually do mediums and larges with friends, so I take on the role of keyer, tool carrier, and I also do my fair share of fighting as I am a high level. So just to double-check, prom 2h + shadow silk hood is still the best bind combo for me?

[Sir_Squab]

Defensively, your best bet is probably hood and a prom long, or battle axe, or some other 1h weapon, using the"defense" ring option or whatever - then just get cheap shield, even a novite or anti-dragonfire would get you the bonus from the shield. Defensively, this is probably better, but0 overall, most people I've heard still say that 2h is the best weapon.

[Capt_Davy]

Defensively, your best bet is probably hood and a prom long, or battle axe, or some other 1h weapon, using the"defense" ring option or whatever - then just get cheap shield, even a novite or anti-dragonfire would get you the bonus from the shield. Defensively, this is probably better, but0 overall, most people I've heard still say that 2h is the best weapon.

 

yeah. I think the increased greatly increased dps from using berserker/tactician rings with prom 2h would save more food and time than a purely defensive setup like that. I guess I'll keep this setup then, it works quite well (certainly better than primal maul :mrgreen: )