Oh, and sonic The chaos altar can be extremely easy or difficult. I've had a duo with Lombre Sun that was 24, and I've also had some that were 11. Sometimes an orb will spawn behind a ladder, or just out of your reach from the center altar so your character tries to take the long way around to get it. It's very possible to get 30 but I'm not sure if it's been done. It just depends on your luck, and mine is not very good.. :rolleyes: