Well it was a long and interesting read. Just wanted to say one thing. Somewhere near the front someone said that since god was eternal then he didn't come from nothing, ect. Well my thought here is this. If you can call this "God" eternal, everlasting, diddn't come from nothing because it was already here, then what is the problem with saying the same thing about the universe itself. I was raised catholic, and the qualities they give God are very humanlike to a degree. "He" is omnipotent, "He" created this and that "He" is eternal, ect... now this "He" really seems like theyre referring to something we can categorize, since we were created in his image:\ Ive heard the "you cant create something from nothing, so that means God exists excuse", but honestly, if one can call God an eternal everlasting from beginning of time to end of time being, then its plausable to say that MAYBE something else can be that way? Why do we need to introduce this middleman into the eternity and infinity question? God is infinite, then he creates everything. How about everything is infinite, strait up, without a creator. God was always there> creates stuff> now here everything is, atoms, ect OR Everything that exists that we know of has always existed> here we are. "Matter cannot be created or destroyed" < If thats the case, there is no end to matter, its always gonna be there, so is it entirely to believe that it will always be here, and HAS always been here?Why bring the mysitcal energy/person/god/whatever to create it? Also, a side note on the whole creation by chance thing... when we begin to talk about matter that has been around forever and will be around forever then numbers and odds mean absolutely nothing. On a timeline of infinity even the most astronomical odds can easily come true.
