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And where is your proof that it will not come out?

Possibly the worst idea in the music industry. :uhh: Sorry, I just think the composition behind the song should be up to the artist who made it in the first place. If they knew it would sound better that way, then they probably would've done it themselves. I'm sick of hearing the beginning of a good song and getting my hopes up just to find out it's the crappy remix version.

You're setting me up for this one... Why not? No, I don't actually hold that view but when you are going to ask a question like that then you're going to get an answer like that. I believe in gravity but I'm not an expert on it. I never saw it in that light - you bring up a very good point. This was one of the reasons why I don't follow any specific religion. Even though I am a "Follower of Christ" I still wouldn't go as far as saying I'm a Christian though. While I hold some Christian values, I also hold Buddhist values too and values from other religions.

Maybe the main difference between God and the toothfairy is that the people who claimed that the toothfairy exists admitted that she's not real. It would be the equivalent of everyone who claimed to speak with or see God to admit that they were lying. Also, God is a general term while the toothfairy is a very narrow and specific. If someone claimed that there was a God that breathed fire and had 50 wings then I probably wouldn't believe them. If someone said God was just the mind-work behind the universe then I would definitely consider the idea. It just sounds more feasible if you ask me. That's why I don't like your analogy of the toothfairy and the demon examples are actually much better. Is there much of a benefit for not believing? And I'm talking about the believing - not acting on the beliefs. To me it seems like it was designed this way on purpose. Life could be like an amusement park. There is a creator who spent the time and thought to develop something which he knew his customers would enjoy. That's how I see God if he did exist. Let's say he does exist. How can a human provide evidence for the existence of a being who we can't see or even understand? Whether he exists or not, you still won't be getting your evidence, so why ask for it?

Thanks for sticking around my blog Cup. \ I finished While Guthix Sleeps today so now I can wear my Quest Cape again. And now I'll be working on all 80's.

Debating, finding out new things, relating to other people around the world, and to beat boredom.

You're right to say 50/50 should not be the default for anything with no evidence - but God is different. I'm only talking about God when it comes to the 50/50. I'm not talking about any bizarre instance that has no proof which you can make up on the spot. You're right about the demons not being an instance of a 50/50 but there are still good reasons (excuse the subjectivity) to believe in God and no good reasons to believe in the demons or the toothfairy. I think the idea of no God is just as wacky as the idea of there being a God. This isn't true for demons. Doesn't that say something about their differences? I don't think love and music just happened to exist. If you ask me, there had to be some intelligent brain-work behind that idea. It's almost like it's too good to be true. This is just my personal opinion though and I expect you will disagree and say they are just a side effect of the natural universe. And the lovely scapegoat of atheism is to ask for proof that we all know doesn't exist.

A boy pushes a girl and that means we must be the good guys? Hell, we have rape and murder in our country. That must make us pure evil. :roll:

The idea of a being creating everything is a bit different than a fairy placing money under your pillow. It just comes down to opinion. It might be ridiculous to you, but in my opinion it is just as ridiculous as believing that the universe just happened to be this way by nothing more than crazy chance. Read my post above. I think it's just as irrational to believe that there isn't a God. This doesn't apply to the bizarre things that you can think up at will just to show that the human mind can think of unrealistic things (existence of toothfairy and pink unicorns). You toss the word maybe out there pretty loosely. Just because people think something which you deem as unlikely doesn't mean you should try to equate it to something which pretty much everyone knows is rubbish. That's a stretch. At least people have good reasons for believing God. There are no good reasons to believe the toothfairy. Oh no! I did argumentum ad populum! :roll: I don't have a "version" of God. I just think the existence of any God is a completely plausible idea. If you want to discuss the purpose of God, I'd think we'd have to open up a whole new thread. It's one thing to argue his existence - another to argue what his will is. It doesn't have to do with the population. It has to do with the reasons behind believing them. The majority of people believe 1+1=2, does that mean I shouldn't say it's true because that's what everyone agreed upon? You could even say that every human being is wrong to think that we exist! Now you're equating a powerful cosmic being with your left nostril...? Ever heard of the term, "Where the line is drawn."? I don't know what purpose. Again, it's one thing to argue God's existence but another to argue what his intentions are. The human mind cannot understand God. He is beyond the limitations of our logic. But if I had to take a guess, I would say evil is here because we need an opposite of good in order for good to exist. If there were no such thing as hot, how would you understand cold? If there were no such thing as down, how would you understand up? If there were no such thing as evil, how would you understand good? I can't speak for God but I can make some guesses. 1. He wants us to help each other because it gives us a good feeling. 2. He wants us to experience pain so we appreciate the absence of it. 3. Being a human, you cannot "interfere" with his will. That is saying that you have just as much power as God. Of course I could be wrong with those, but that doesn't mean there must be no reasons that exist. Yes, logic is the best form of understanding we have, but logic comes from man who is imperfect. There are questions which man's logic cannot answer. That's why applying it to metaphysics is laughable.

You can have friends and build huge boats and still believe in God at the same time. Not everyone uses God only to answer their prayers. Sometimes when people pray to him they are thanking him. And your main point is that there is no reason to be a theist. Well, is there any better reason to be an atheist?

Yeah that happens too. When I have to walk to my bus stop and it's freezing in the morning I always swear about how I hate school and the cold to my brother.

Does anyone (besides children) believe in the toothfairy? Does anyone believe in pink unicorns? It might be wrong to base truth off the amount of believers, but when some guy made up a story and everyone, even him, knew it was a story then you can't tell me that's not saying something... If there really is a logical fallacy stating it's wrong to say there is a difference between God and the toothfairy because mankind accepts the fact that the toothfairy is nothing more than a fabrication used for children, well then that's a bit of irony right there. All you are doing is taking things out of context. The people who don't believe in the toothfairy might be wrong? I don't see this as an argument against the existence of any god. If anything, it only shows that their concept of god was most likely the wrong one if god/gods really do exist. Nope. The sole purpose (or intention) of the fairy is to exchange money for your teeth. You can prove that it's fake by observing how the fairy doesn't fulfill that purpose. God has many more roles than that and I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to be a human being and at the same time tell me what God's intentions are. And you say my arguments are devastating? I believe there is a chance of there being God because it's such a universal concept and I think the idea of there being no intelligent mind-work behind creating the universe and our existence is just as unrealistic as God existing. I don't believe there is a chance of there being a toothfairy because a long time ago somebody decided to make kids happy about losing teeth, so he came up with the idea for parents to lie to their children and say that a fairy would replace their tooth with money, but the parents would actually be doing it while they slept. I see no reason why the term "god" can't be used loosely. Even if that cosmic being didn't qualify with our expectations of a god, he would be the closest thing and we could always change the definition. Or maybe evil has a purpose.

Even if I don't think there is evidence, that doesn't prove that God was consciously fabricated to fulfill a purpose in the same sense of the toothfairy and pink unicorn. Who knows? I could be wrong. Maybe you forgot that I'm agnostic. Yes, but the fact that we know the toothfairy was consciously fabricated to fulfill a purpose makes it a different story. If you ask me, that would make the odds much much lower. Plus there is proof against the existence of the toothfairy. If a kid stayed up at night and caught their parents putting money under the pillow then doesn't that tell you it was just a made up story? I might have a lot to learn about them, but I still think it's ridiculous to bring up the population argument here. I think you misunderstood my post. I was talking about the population argument about the existence of the toothfairy. You're basically telling me that just because everyone acknowledges the fact that mankind made the toothfairy up to fulfill a purpose it doesn't mean she does not exist.

You take food? If your going camping....lol, you need a couple cans o' boyardee. Real men kill bears with their bare hands and eat the meat raw.

There's no evidence as far as we know, but that's not to say the people who claim to have spoken with God/had spiritual experiences with him are just lying or imagining things. Just because we have no objective evidence to work with doesn't mean God must have been fabricated in the same sense as pink unicorns and the toothfairy. No, the purpose of the toothfairy is for kids to be happy about losing their teeth. Parents know the toothfairy does not exist, so they put money under their children's pillows instead of hoping for the toothfairy to do so. And pink unicorns were only imagined because you need something ridiculous to equate to God so that you can say, "See, you do need evidence!" To say that the possibility of them existing is the same as the possibility of God existing is a stretch. Do you wonder why you don't see threads about the existence of the toothfairy or pink unicorns? I'm starting to wonder whether you know what the purpose of a logical fallacy even is. It seems like you're just throwing them out there for the sake of it instead of for the sake of proving your point. If I'm wrong, then what is your point? That she does exist? To state that mankind as a whole (except the kids) has the knowledge that they fabricated something out of the blue to fulfill a purpose (and they consciously know it's nothing more than a fabrication) then how is that in any way a logical fallacy?

Those are the only ones I use and for similar reasons. I'm interested in seeing some nontraditional ideas.

They must be pretty bored over there.

Well, I really like skilling but I found the idea of it quite pointless. I only skill for the self-satisfaction of completing goals that I set for myself. With combat, your character becomes better at PVP and PVM after each level you get. So my vote goes for killz.

Yeah, well talking about it is the first step. How do you think the idea for Construction was formulated?

Unless the aliens bribed the government not to, then I don't think you have anything to worry about. :lol:

Yeah, you're right. Perambulation is walking for the sake of leisure while ambulation is walking to get from point A to point B. This calls for a title change. ;)

Metallica - The Day That Never Comes

^^ You're trying to take over DVD's spot and you forgot to put down the number?!?! 10479

Oh yeah, that's another thing I forgot. When I'm strolling along and I look up, I'm reminded about all the weird things of life. It's basically like staring at infinity. It makes me feel insignificant and fascinated at the same time. Clouds and stars are some the most aesthetically appealing things I can think of too.

I think walking is one of the most overlooked elements in our lives when it comes to leisure or relaxation. Taking walks with friends naturally forces you to converse, you are exposed to a wider range of stimuli, it's good exercise and you get sun exposure, plus I realized that it clears my head making it easier to think. I think walking is like an active form of meditation. I've had a lot of epiphanies in my life all because of walking. :) So anyone have any experiences or opinions about walking?