Smapla, I'm not exactly talking about training. I mean just general RuneScape playing and also dueling. I'm limited on money, so I can't have both options. Also, I use a D B axe spec followed by a stat restore potion. These are very inexpensive and common, and is deadly combined with the b axe spec. I agree with the DDS thing, unless, of course, ur pk-in or ur a pure strength. BTW, I'm one of those people who watches their character 24/7 and sees what they hit and check experience consantly. :ohnoes: So the "afk-ability" isn't much of a problem. The salve amulet (e) idea is of course a good one, except I'm not training. You seem to say that Dharok's is better, but riskier (which I don't mind). On the other hand, using the first method would give me 10 less armor and I wouldn't use my Dragon Scimitar much. My long-term goals are 75 attack, 80 strength, and 75 defense. With Controlled on my whip and another Aggressive weapon, this can be achieved. Dharok's would give me an upper hand in dueling, also. Looks like it's gonna be Dharok's, unless you have something else to say.