Scorpiona

What... the... fudgesicles? This had better be a joke.

I admire the authors of that worm if they were able to collect a botnet of 1.7 million users. Imagine the @Home scores. :P

Wow i hope you get Perm banned :lol: Your saying kill the economy.... Basically saying lets make a Runescape great depression....... :-k Also the Real world item trading thing might work by putting a filter that doesn't allow you to trade more than 100k without anything in return also filter multply trades of money in a short amount of time. The filter will lock the account immediatly. Then examine it for Real world items trading. This might cut down on donations but not many people donate more than 100k. Also Gold farmers are hard to deal with and Jagex would have to make a "deal" With chinese Gov't which will not happen. First of all, try actually reading my post instead of making another worthless waste of bytes clogging up this thread. Incidentally, if you had strained your truly superb intellect a few syllables further you would've seen that I am an ex-cheater. As you have obviously not taken the time to read my second post, I'm not going to bother with responding to your first completely ignorant and repulsive exclamation. Putting a filter on trades would do nothing but infuriate actual traders while doing nothing to actually shutting down real world traders, as they can easily trade through other means. In fact, more trusted traders who have been around for a while now force their buyers to stake them for the GP they're selling, and then deliberately lose to them. As of yet, I haven't heard of a single person being banned for real world trading that's used the staking method, so it's obviously not all sunshine and daisies on Jagex's end. Gold farmers exist. Live with it. If someone wants to powergrind to make a few GP, there's not a whole lot you can do. None of your disgusting comments change that. Thank you for wasting my time.

One word: tcpkill Google it, it's also included in the Ubuntu "dsniff" package, although you might have to enable the universe repository to get it.

To answer everyone above, I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying you should kill the entire RuneScape economy, although that would be a perfectly viable solution. I'm saying that all these suggestions for killing macroers, implementing some small annoying feature, leading flax macroers to their death, etc, will accomplish nothing. By making it more difficult for macroers to acquire their goods, but not stopping macroers entirely, the amount of macroed goods will decrease, while the demand for those goods will stay the same. The economy will become unbalanced and RSGP-to-USD prices will skyrocket, making a bigger incentive to macro. The point is that macroing has a dramatic effect on the economy and by making it harder for macroers in some inconsequential way is counter productive, it would only exacerbate the problem. I'm not saying kill the RuneScape economy, I'm not saying sell sharks for 1gp, I'm not saying cause a great depression. All I'm trying to do is get people to focus on the big picture of this macroing epidemic, and the solution to it, by eliminating the RSGP-to-USD market.

I think you must've been looking at a skiller or summat. It might differ, but the main colorclicking bot around now has a "NextPlayer" system where the macroer adds a list of usernames and passwords of different macro accounts that are ready to do a task, like cutting yews, etc. Whenever one of the accounts has a problem, such as being stuck in a strange location, they just logout and switch to the next account in the NextPlayer queue. I've never heard of them using the home tele, although it could be specific to a different bot. EDIT: Spelling

Thanks. :) RS packet information has been encrypted for a LONG time, otherwise we'd have another AutoRune scandal. P.S. to whatever administrators run the censor: If you weren't aware, AutoRune has been dead for YEARS. Blocking its name serves no purpose other than infuriating people like me using its name for actual reference purposes. Currently the users of the one popular colorclicking bot around now get most of their advanced RuneScape script commands from a function library known as the (BOTNAME) Resource Library. The BRL, as we'll call it, is managed by a considerably dedicated team of scripters who submit pre-written functions for doing tasks like solving macros, finding bank screens, moving inventory items, etc. By changing the macro solutions every month, all this would accomplish is padding the advertising revenue the BRL team gets from the monthly updates and forcing macroers to click "Update BRL Functions" every month before starting their scripts.

this is just a concept. they could also change the icons in the game screen to have the same color as popularly macroed objects. or the banner could be inside the original game screen size to help with older macros I've been cheating for 4+ years, and only recently stopped. Try actually knowing what you're talking about before shooting off your mouth. Now, let's begin systematically shredding your post. First of all, not "all" macroers operate this way, and the algorithms in colorclicking bots are by no means simple. In addition to the resource library functions which use either a DTM or a bounding boxed color search to locate the general area of the target object, followed by comparing the mouseover text to ensure that the correct object is being targeted. Java bots work in an entirely different way, as they are essentially a tweaked RuneScape client which is able to use an enormously higher amount of control over the game without resorting to crude methods like colorclicking. The inventory and the rest of the interfaces were changed during the RSC -> RS transition, and once again with a later interface graphics rehaul. The brown speckling is for graphical reasons only, and doesn't slow down colorclicking bots in any way. You're right, this will get rid of a whopping 0 macroers. The "low lives" who do it do not need to afford a bot, or have the technical knowledge to code one. The three current major bots in existence are entirely free, and the only currently working paid-bot is not exactly a bank-breaker at $2. this is just a concept. they could also change the icons in the game screen to have the same color as popularly macroed objects. or the banner could be inside the original game screen size to help with older macros DTMs are NOT a concept! They have been implemented for over five years, and OCR text recognition for the mouseover text has been around for even longer. Despite your completely unresearched and ignorant opinions, colorclicking bots are nowhere near as crude as you would like to believe. I'm sorry I have to be this harsh with you, but you have no place preaching about how macroing works if you can't take the time to actually look up what you're talking about instead of blithely dismissing someone who knows far more about it than you.

This would not work. First of all, only colorclickers and hybrids would be affected, not java bots. Second of all, most of the color find routines used in major scripts use a bounding-box to only get colors from a certain area, and also use DTMs (deformed template modules / object recognition) and checking the mouseover text.

Thanks for the acknowledgement of my existence! Since I think the idea of running a check of an item price versae the actual sale price is infeasible (imagine telling a friend that you'd sell him yews for half the market price and then having both your accounts banned), so I'll be focusing mainly on the prevention and banning of real world traders. Jagex already has a somewhat advanced system designed to monitor what physical computers are linked to what players, although it can be easily circumvented. The first time you download the RuneScape client, when the loader finishes downloading, it creates a hidden file on your system which contains a number called a UID. Every time you log into an account, Jagex will record the UID used to sign into that account. This way, if you use multiple accounts, even with a SOCKS proxy, if you don't wipe your UID file or reinstall Java every time you switch to another account, Jagex will know who you are. Also, contrary to popular belief, Jagex never, ever IP bans. Instead, of you've committed an offense serious enough, Jagex will flag all accounts under your UID, and monitor them for cheating activity. If they are able to link two or more accounts to cheating activities under the same UID, they will ban all accounts with that UID. This is how Jagex is able to ban the mains of macroers who are not smart enough to wipe their UID. Unfortunately, many of the more professional macroers know all about UIDs thanks to tutorials of myself and others, and wipe them every time they switch accounts. In other words, UIDs serve little purpose other than serving as natural selection for eliminating the weak and stupid from the macroing gene pool. Also, you cite shutting down real life trading or GP buying sites. Unfortunately for Jagex, as they are a legitimate company, they can't resort to guerrilla methods. In fact, for this purpose exclusively, many cheating sites force users to accept a disclaimer stating they are not an employee, family member, affiliate, or in any way whatsoever linked to Jagex Ltd. to enter. Another common misconception is that GP sites are the only way that cheaters operate. It's actually considerably less clandestine than that. There are actually a few very large popular forums where the vast majority of cheaters hang around. These forums are exclusively for cheaters with the most popular having over 1 million registered members, although it usually has only 500-1000 members active per day. At these sites members are given helpful advice on how to start cheating and macroing, given an overview of popular bots and good scripts to use with them, are introduced to "black markets" where they can buy and sell GP, accounts, services (such as firecaping and skill training), and stuff like that. It's very friendly and open and the exact opposite of what many people think of as the "underground" for RuneScape cheaters. This is where most common cheaters go to cheat and trade GP, instead of the occasional player buying mils at a GP site. Thanks again for posting your ideas, but I doubt Jagex will really bother to implement them. I mean, even though they act like they're strictly against macroing, they have very good reasons not to be as vigilant as they could be about it. Many macroers buy members for theirs bot accounts because with the GP they make they can sell back as a profit in USD, and continue macroing before they're banned. However, from Jagex's point of view, they get $5+ in registrations from macroers, they find the macroers after a few days, ban them, and then immediately get $5+ in registrations from the same macroer setting up another bot. It's very lucrative to Jagex and gives them a good reason for not being very harsh banning macroers.

No, I'm saying you should stop wasting your time on things which are only trivial, passing distractions for the macroers, since the only thing that will actually solve the macroer problem is a crash in the RSGP-to-USD market.

Just looking here, I'm seeing hundreds of people complaining about macroers, and giving so-so "solutions" to the problem. A quick search returns thousands more posts like this, and I'm forced to ask myself if anyone has looked at the big picture here. Lots of people have posted very creative, if ineffective, ideas to add a speed bump to the free ride that macroers have been getting, but since the majority of people here don't seem to know much if anything about RuneScape cheating, I don't think they truly understand the problem they're facing. I've been cheating in RuneScape for over 4 years, although I stopped after creating my latest main. Many of these suggests are essentially new randoms, small annoyances that will not actually deter botting players except for a few days while their scripts are being updated to include them. Many people seem to think that macroers are some king of dumb, "click-move-click-bank" system which will be fooled by a simple thingummywhat. Such macros exist, but bots, REAL bots, are advanced scripting engines that allow cheaters to write their own commands to macro. They have anti-randoms, and will solve virtually any problem that comes their way, and if they can't deal with it, they log out and switch to a next pre-prepared macroing account and leave their owner to deal with the broken one. Also, you have to understand the drive of macroers: to be able to make money without doing real work. That's all there is to it, money. After macroing goods for themselves, macroers either sell it for GP, or transfer the items to their main for their use. I think everyone is getting off-center, you can't truly stop macroers, because whatever anti-macro protection you add, if a normal human is still able to get past it, a macroer will be able to as well. However, that being said, I think there is one often overlooked problem with macroing: It's self-destructive. Since macroers macro only for money, if they sell their goods for GP, they also want to be able to sell that GP for cash, or else they've just got worthless pixels for their "work." Think about it, if all the randoms, all the macro protection, everything which Jagex worked on was gone, what would happen? Macroers would flourish, and the game would be overtaken with them. Every single world would be maxed out at 2000 players as everything would be macroed. Due to the high supply of previously expensive goods, and low demand (due to many players disgust and inability to use the game fairly), the market would plummet, and the economy would crash. GP-to-USD prices for RuneScape would sink from dollars to tenths of cents, macroers wouldn't have a reason to keep macroing, and they would leave to find an easier game to cheat at. Therefore, the balance of fair use-to-cheat use must remain intact, because if there isn't a degree of difficulty involving in macroing, there wouldn't be a market for the goods that macroers would collect. Since all these ideas for new randoms and other technicalities would only make it slightly more difficult for randoms to work, while still not actually preventing them, they're only keeping the balance in check and allowing macroing to flourish further. In my opinion, the two only possible solutions to the macroing problem as a whole are: 1. Take down the RS GP market. I commend RuneScape for their efforts against real world trading, as this is what drives macroers. 2. Economy rehaul. Outdo or underdo macroers, so that the supply and demand for the goods they're collecting will be out of balance, and there will be no reason for them to continue macroing. This might seem rather drastic, but I felt I had to speak my mind. Thanks for reading. :) ~Scorpiona Do not reply unless you have something worth saying. Also, if you misunderstood anything, be sure to read this post.