Thats what DS are trying to say because they know they can't take us full strength ur kt people who came back over and over again made up for the ones that u lost so quit being an wagon it was a draw anyway, the war was crahsed, it doesnt matter? DS won even though you cheated..Your memberlist that you gave us was wrong (unless you have trainees with you at war) and ur members returned to the war... even by cheating we won with over 150 opts easily :lol: