ati was good before amd bought them, now the 2 gens or so ati has owned them and their cards: 2900xt - completely destroyed by 8800gts/gtx, used 200w+ hd2400-2600 - weaker than nvidia equivs. and now: 38x0 - the price range its at isnt one many people buy at. hd2400-2600 - weaker than nvidia equivs lets look at amd in a couple of times they where "good", and now: athlon xp out- basically the same as P4 at stock, but less known. overclocked to be slightly better than P4. athlon 64 out before core2 - destroyed everything intel had, but much more expensive than netburst p4s, and less people know about AMD so intel STILL made more money off netburst than k7 and k8. now - athlon 64 x2 and phenom x4 both destroyed by core 2 duo and core 2 quad. average user buys the intel cos they dont know amd, in the enthusiast market, even a e2140 clocked to 3.2ghz+ can destroy everything amd has in single/dual thread apps, and q6600 clocked to 3.2ghz+ can destroy everything amd has, period.