[/hide] We can assume that the object they found was the Stone of Jas, and that it was found in "the north" somewhere - that would be the wilderness. The Stone of Jas was not owned by anyone when the humans found it; it was buried in the ground somewhere (they needed tools, chisels etc. to uncover it), so they could not have stolen it from Guthix or the Dragonkin. Perhaps the place they found it was where the Fist of Guthix cave now is? Also, who/what is Jas? Another name for Guthix? The "man from the north" who found it? Or maybe the word "power" in some ancient language. And who was the "man from the north"? A mahajarrat, possibly? I always thought he was talking about the Rune Essence Rock, as that can be found somewhere in the north too, if you look at all the ice... :-k After all, the Moonclan Manual states that the Stone of jas was instantly removed by the gods after it was discovered by a Fremennik Seer. If thats the case the discoverer couldn't have formed whole groups to investigate it, right? We can't even be sure the place 'it' was found was the Wilderness; I thought it was somewhere in the troll mountains. And about the name we know very little, but one thing is sure: it is a person, because the Oracle says that 'Jas left a Stone behind'. I personally think Jas is one of the Elder Gods. But this "discovery" that they made allowed them to cast magic WITHOUT rune stones; isn't that something that only people who were exposed to the Stone of Jas could do? Yes. It can't just have been essence rocks; they gained magical powers, and then later decided to bind them into the essence rocks. Besides, essence rocks are only created when the rock is exposed to the stone of Jas for a while. The stone of Jas has been moved many times. It has been in the essence cave on Moonclan isle, in the secret essence location that you are teleported to, in the Fist of Guthix cave (probably) and in Juna's cave (probably). So maybe the Gods moved it from moonclan to "the north" when the fremenik seer found it, but didn't notice/weren't around when the group of humans in the story found it. Likely to be just another name for Guthix then, or simply a name that guthix gave the stone.