Amateurnoob

Thanks... just glad it's over got too much other stuff to worry about :)

There was no merge and I don't really consider picking up 4 GW members a mass leave. I think there were more they prolly just got kicked or swept/denied. Idk, either way I don't think they're that great of a clan and was surprised to see they're still alive. They have a nice community, and cool members. They just do not have the big pulls like some of us do. But props for competing.

There was no merge and I don't really consider picking up 4 GW members a mass leave.

Yes buddy it goes for all clans, however I said DV as that was the only clan we really had problems with. And bro we don't want any beef with PKM we respect you guys :) Downfall... Number 1 PKM Recruiters 09' Spreadin the love.

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Alright ladies and gentlemen... Myself, Tim, and Mae have talked with Ray0608 in my clan chat today. We have all decided this beef with Divine Vindicators is getting out of hand and is just basically boring. We don't want to become like Ni versus DK or World versus VR. I'd rather not focus my time on debating wars with DV, or going out and hitting them every time they go to PVP. Instead we have decided to cut the beef off cold turkey (no pun intended). We are sick of the flames/baits from both clans. No one is right in this and the community as a whole loses. Clans are picking sides and we don't want that. We have let our grudges get the best of us, and have lost track of what we are really here to do.... war. TWR is a community where we all need to help each other, and not have huge problems all the time. We want to have all of the clans build and become stronger than they are now to offer more competition. So from this day fourth DF and DV have sworn to end their beef; not only to better the community and clean up our acts, but to have a healthy rivalry like there was back when LGZ was here. We don't want the flames or anything of that sort...just good wars that will better our clans. We don't want to scare the other competitors away, and we don't want to hurt DV in PVP, as we would rather encourage clans that can pull our pulls and levels to war in PVP, as right now there just isn't and influx of clans trying to make the transition. We will be encouraging DV to get into PVP instead of hunting them down 24/7. Any Downfall members whom flame DV from this day on will be given 2 strikes. Notice we run a 3 strike policy so if you flame don't expect to be around too much longer. We are going to enforce this strictly. So please do take this to heart. This is a game we don't need to start a bunch of problems on this, we get enough inrl to deal with. Also hopefully someday we can work together with DV and our lovelies T0 and just go have some fun PVP trips and possibly fun wars together, we are up for anything. There's no telling what lies ahead. Also I want to personally apologize to the TWR community for the way Downfall has handled some affairs. We just get passionate in our beef ;) we like it well done<3. But thank you all for bearing with us and supporting both clans through this rivalry.

there has been proof posting you guys asking for dk to come. :wall: ops ? :\ dk were at w 57 spiders....there was no1 out at that moment so they came for downfall reffer to the picture where your member admits you called dk. its in the OP i think. dont lie, please. oh ic that was when downfall called some cr and other friends Pretty sure we didn't call them from BH walk to Mossies.... so nice defense. DK was there ready for us lol... You already stated in a spam "DK IS COMING" and then your members obviously said DV+DK vs D0...... Cool story I love the pics <3: Also to Karanbest, I doubt DK would want your clan dragging down their overall combat level on a shared memberlist ;)

Of course hun... we would have had like high 30's to 40 opts, as I stated we don't have the same time zone they have. We can't pull much in the day during school. If it was a weekend it would be a different story :wink: it was still 2 v 1 i see no reason making topic about teaming with another clan to take on Dv only makes your clan look weaker Aww sweetheart you really don't read much then. As I stated... this topic is called Downfall + True 0wnage's day out... not Downfall's day out.. it was both of our clans. We go pvping together because its fun. If I'm not mistaken DK goes out with VR almost all the time ;) This wasn't a planned war this was a unofficial 10 minute prep PVP event. i think like 1 Vr member EZ only one who pk's with Dk no one els only reason we dont attack Dk is because they never do anything to us we even killed dk yesterday when we ac'ed TT vs Rsd Fight i dont know what you talking about. and on topic It doesnt matter if it was 10 minute prep im sure you knew they were going out today since will told me last night Downfall was going to hit Dv pk trip you could have made mandatory instead of teaming with another clan but i guess Desperate moments call for desperate decisions All of our members that were available at the time were on... Like I said before it was out of the timezone.. our members have school. I'm not going to ask them to stay home to play runescape.

Of course hun... we would have had like high 30's to 40 opts, as I stated we don't have the same time zone they have. We can't pull much in the day during school. If it was a weekend it would be a different story :wink: it was still 2 v 1 i see no reason making topic about teaming with another clan to take on Dv only makes your clan look weaker Aww sweetheart you really don't read much then. As I stated... this topic is called Downfall + True 0wnage's day out... not Downfall's day out.. it was both of our clans. We go pvping together because its fun. If I'm not mistaken DK goes out with VR almost all the time ;) This wasn't a planned war this was a unofficial 10 minute prep PVP event.

Of course hun... we would have had like high 30's to 40 opts, as I stated we don't have the same time zone they have. We can't pull much in the day during school. If it was a weekend it would be a different story :wink:

Sorry Mago we do not allow Multi Clanners. We would be happy to accept you under the circumstances of you getting off of Divine Vindicators Memberlist, and DF Future Applicants Memberlist. You of course will also have to fill out an introduction and an application which will be reviewed by our Council+. Thanks for your time (/End Sarcasm) Not even if you're in AA? :mellow: Country Clans are okay babe <3:

Sorry Mago we do not allow Multi Clanners. We would be happy to accept you under the circumstances of you getting off of Divine Vindicators Memberlist, and DF Future Applicants Memberlist. You of course will also have to fill out an introduction and an application which will be reviewed by our Council+. Thanks for your time (/End Sarcasm)

You obviously weren't there... we didn't ask for the war... We hit you in BH pushed you back to bank... there DV said "We're going out deep" we said "orlly" YOU (DV) said "wanna war us" we said "Sure".... get your facts straight... you clearly weren't there. ^^^This is why im DOWNFALL^^^ First off I guess I don't get what you mean by this is why you are DF? Do you mean Divine Forces? ;) love how you go from RSD- DF and say you aren't a multi clanner #-o And I don't see what's wrong with having a few members gain some rune by pking with NI... no we do not crash, we just hit DK. I understand if you are mad that we help deplete you DK Unit's banks but seriously what's wrong with PKING with NI... If you are trying to say our members are in NI, show me the ones on NI's memberlist.. Think before you post.

You obviously weren't there... we didn't ask for the war... We hit you in BH pushed you back to bank... there DV said "We're going out deep" we said "orlly" YOU (DV) said "wanna war us" we said "Sure".... get your facts straight... you clearly weren't there.

David+Pyro came to watch which soon turned to them sniping both clans :( and camping on me at one point :( Never let them go on a pvp trip with u

Hard not to bail when you dont have a chance (51 opts against DK) :P Also to DV Downie 0wners is a Team in itself just for the record. We are not a 2 v 1 alliance we are in fact a team here is the link to our Runehead. As you can spam we weren't spamming DFFFFFFFF or T00000000 We were spamming our Team's name. :) http://www.runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=downie0wners Grats on outpulling us, next time don't call a random clan to aide you. So if you want to get techinical it was Downie 0wners versus DV+DK 1 vs 2 in our favor.

Confirmed, I asked a few friends to come when DK hit us, admit we can't compete with DK with 51 opts we already were outpulled by you, but you couldn't respect that ;) had to call DK. Anyways we called a few friends to come bait DK away from us. No one really came though... who wants to go out just to get wrecked.. (referencing that to DK hitting us not DV) Also Ray0608 said your chat was an open channel and DK joined your cc and asked where we were and you gave location. Confirm please :). Anyways our friends hardly did anything as we didn't jump in ops. We had like one TNC member come to help us out. You still should have had 69 opts against our 55 :)... I don't think that would matter. Also for the record it was a PVP trip during the day nothing official. I don't think there were any rules set in place against having friends come and chill with us and have a good day.

Cool bait. Also its a weekday, the majority of our members are eastern based, and western based. That means 2 est= School, and it was 11am est for our western coast people. We don't pull much during school hours on the weekdays. We DO NOT encourage our members to skip school to play runescape. We will look into getting more members from your time zone so it will be even harder to compete ;)

It was like 51 D0 opts... and 69 DV opts... Even with 2 clans you outpulled us. Don't know how that wasn't fair. And for the record if you read the above post it was. DV+DK versus DF+T0 your own members confirmed it in my pictures ;) Thanks again for the rune.

Pyro ur a jerk for camping me... almost made me wanna leave :(

DOWNFALL + TRUE 0WNAGE So today it was about 2 pm Eastern and DF+T0 decided to go for a small pvp trip just for the fun of it, like we do on most weekdays during the afternoon when the majority of our members are in school. Seeing as we are such a tight knit group of friends and basically share our communities, we massed up the GMT+College students that didn't have class at the time, and went out for a PVP trip. Downfall + True 0wnage Starting: 51 opts (small pull due to time) We received word that Divine Vindicators was out so we were sitting at mossies just chilling, and we decided to rush BH as we figured that was where they would be... to no surprise there was DV's fall in on Vormillion. We quickly K0ED Vormillion here a few steps away from BH. We spammed OHAIDER DV and it was just a mad rush up to the stairs Once they ran up the stairs we followed and they asked us for a war up at mossies. We accepted even though we had about 20 less opts than they did. We go up to mossies and the enter, we hear that DK is coming (Expected). So we move up to the north and tried to fight. A few seconds later DK ran down spamming DK and what not.. We wondered how DK could have known we were out because this wasn't even planned, but then we thought to ourselves... oh right a lot of DV is in DK how silly of us... Please do not post images with offensive words on them. This picture has been sent to your PM box so that you may censor and repost at your discretion. ~ Lady_Ninane ^DK+DV Member confirming they called DK =D> Divine Vindicators Starting opts: 69 A few DK before the fight http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg72/BigBird91/?action=view&current=Picture25.png DK During the Fight Divine Vindicators claimed that they didn't call DK but their members kept saying stuff like T0+DF versus Dv+DK= Fair Fight...Kind of found it sad they couldn't fight 51 opts against 69 of their opts but oh well. Eventually we had to go back down to BH to restock thanks to DK's mass sniping. After restocking we regrouped and headed back out. DV said stuff like scared to fight 1 v 1 in PVP.. you need T0 so on so fourth, yet we asked them for a 1 v 1 PVP war on TWR #-o Once we headed back out we found Vormillion once again. K0Ed him...again... for the lulz. (My screeny in this one messed up :( ) Later we were waiting at Obelisks for DV to come back out and they were standing around BH trying to K0 our members that were tank testing. Demigod259 went and sniped Mago and successfully made him mad, he then dragged DV through D0's pile and D0 Feasted. Later we hit Mago Nero and he pro tanked to CLW :thumbsup: But then later he came back out and must have gotten cocky as he tried tanking back to BH :shame: We don't mess up twice. Thanks for the loot by the way Mago All in all it would have been a fun fight; still no idea who would have won, as DK came and assisted their younger brother clan. Oh well hopefully you will accept that PVP Full out war sometime, we would like a change from Clan Wars... Thanks again for the rune much appreciated :thumbsup: Ending Downfall + True 0wnage: (Didn't Come out trying to fix the pic)

Doubt anyone would be jealous of a NH team, but whatever makes you sleep at night :thumbsup: . Dude soulja just let Teampted killers rip, we never said we could beat you, and for sure we were never jealous of your team. If you read the previous posts it clearly says that it would of turn out differently, not meaning us winning, but probably a closer war. Now tell me this, what do You guys think if we would of been like you, "Team Downfall" and let multi-clanners in , and recruit 120+ from top clans, to beat you down. We were always Downfall as a clan, pure loyal members, absolutely no multi-clanners, and we never had the low reputation you had because of your multi-clanners, why would we be jealous of your low reputation in TWR? You were the most hated clan for a reason, not cuz we were jealous, but because of your sad multiclanners. OT: IDK if this counts and idc, but we did beat "Souljaz" once which was then called TK afterwards. Pure loyal members who pk with dk/ni/ph LOL the only difference is, you guys weren't added the there Memberlist :) Deny it all you want most people on tip.it know it will just be Downfall and T0 members replying to this. and Team Downfall would never happen, i don't think many people from top clans would join DF Nor would DF want them to. I don't think so. ohaider... love your points <3: OT: Cool stories guys and girls.

It's not because we didn't had a TWR cwri/pkri that we can't be the biggest rivals back then, most of us already explained a lot why we had that rivalry back then, I suggest you'd read Amateurnoob's long post! :thumbup: If you guys can end it in full ours cw's why not dv and df? but w8, df just want us to lose our runes in pvp by calling their friends 1. DF vs dv isn't quite a rivalry. 2. Don't accuse us of calling crashers when that'll never happen. When you lose rune, it'll be to us not to any friends. We might.....have a war in pvp with you when you learn your members to dont pk with NI. First off NI wouldn't come to crash you.. if anyone calling Ni to hit you it would be Generaldesor. Second of all I WANT YOUR RUNE... I don't wanna give it to NI. Third... Your members can war with DK? Confirmed? You have a DK Applicant Manager + Potential Fall in Leader. So I find it irrelevant if a few members pk with NI while a decent amount of your members PK with DK.. We aren't scared of DK. Why are you scared of NI? So as you said "when you learn your members to dont pk with NI" dunno what that means tbh horrid grammar but maybe you should "learn your members to dont pk with DK" We aren't scared... you? PS: Name me the members that PK with NI.... I'll name your DK members if you wish. :)

OMG BROOOOOOOOO I HAVE A GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!! We will accept your full out with one added new rule... ABSOLUTELY NO MULTI-CLANNERS ALLOWED IN THE WAR. I bet you will pull 30-40... Not flaming just saying the truth. Discuss.

I'm going to be straightforward about everything I believe. Whether you take it for a flame-bait, a flame, or just the facts, I could really care less as it is my opinion. 1st off about Divine Vindicators being a threat to Downfall's number one spot. If they want to take it we'll let them have it. Downfall is at the point where we have warred every clan in TWR multiple times, we are not focusing as much on declaring on TWR rather than just accepting the declarations. Our main focuses are now towards clans that we have not warred. We would much rather fight someone new than the same people over and over again. This is what is going to make Downfall better. Recently in IRC HolyHatty a Divine Vindicators Warlord came in and said "Without TWR #1 DF is nothing." I think he got this statement mixed up with his own clan. Not once have I seen a war of Divine Vindicators versus Anyone outside of TWR. While Downfall has warred, Poison, "THE", GLADZ, and others outside of TWR and in PVP as well. (Just stating the facts, not a flame) Next as for why the Beef started. I'll tell you why I got into it. The minute Ray0608 told me he was taking over Divine Vindicators I told him, we would love to help him out as long as it did not turn out to be like Tempted Killers, allowing anyone in from any clan, and recruiting out of other top clans. I asked him if he would take the time to find his own members and create a solid "CLAN" on a foundation of true LOYAL non-multiclanners. He told me he was going to and would not allow multi-clanning. Hell on their forums it states "Absolutely no multi-clanning allowed" They forgot to add in (With the exception of top 10 pvp clans and DK) This wasn't even the worst part the worst part was Ray0608 said he would never allow DK into his clan. Enough Said. Later though the "beef" is getting heated as Divine Vindicators wars Memberlists with smaller ML's and still expect a numbers advantage for them. This doesn't help you get any better. Winning with +8 doesn't prove anything regardless of who you are warring. It's a weak war in my opinion. As for the rivalry 3-0. Not trying to be [rooster] but eh it doesn't matter to me. The Downfall versus Legendz rivalry was probably the biggest rivalry out of them all. That dated all the way back to 141 Infinitone v Amateurnoob. That lasted as Jack said a very long time. When we first got onto TWR Legendz handed it to us, but we came right back and hit harder. Eventually we came on top, and now have the hold on them. And in my opinion the whole Divine Vindicators rivalry goes basically DV Versus TWR they came in here expecting a friendly environment, but never give the opposite clan the advantage in rules, and clans look down on that, as do I when reading these topics. (Not a flame, truth.) Also as for TK.... they were a great Team, and yes Sutty you beat us as a TEAM, but honestly theres not much anyone could do against DK+VR+DF+EXO+Whomever else you may have had. You put together a very nice team of members from different clans. I'll agree to that. If you were to take away those members, things would have been a lot different in my mind. In closing one of the major questions I was asked recently is am I scared of Divine Vindicators taking Downfall's Number One Spot. To answer that not at all. The record shows 3-0 if a clan comes on and beats clans by sheer number advantages and gets the points then so be it. We are here to earn our rank, not just climb up the ladder with easy wins. (DV Declare CR... I'm interested in that). Downfall is not here for the points as Divine Vindicators tried to make it out to be in the 20 vs 20 coming up between DV and DF we think that will be an excellent war, however we were told it will be a no show by DV as they think we're going to blow them away. That just shows me that they do not have confidence in a matched war. (Expect an amazing topic if it is a no show). Overall I have lost respect for Divine Vindicators as a whole throughout the clans life span, due to the decisions of the leaders, Multi clanning, flaming, "Am8 SMD" From our dear friend Karanbest (check siggy for proof) It's all just nonsense to me. This clan is trying so hard to take our number 1 spot yet they accuse us of wanting points? All we do is accept wars and challenge clans that we know will put up a fight. On the other hand DV takes the number advantages, and is publicly stating they want the #1 spot, how do you take it? You get points. So who is it that really wants the points? ~AMATEURNOOB From top to bottom for the rivalry factor. DF v LGZ - - -Gap DF v TK - - -Gap DF v HP - - - - - - - -Huge Gap DF v DV (can't yet compete)