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i like bolt update i was about to sell 400k unf bolts because my hand not going through them manually
i think mostly botters complaining because they cannot do them anymore with unnatural speed.
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I have them for Jad and select other monster hunting. They are very slow to make and very expensive herblore exp.
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Here Gabe, I'll respond to you here, then type my final words on the issue and I'm done with this thread for the night.
Yet, even though as it was encouraged by the Arab countries to leave Israel until they beat them, it was Palestine Arab Higher Committee who asked the countries not to permit visas and such in those countries. It is not Israel's fault that some countries did not grant them citizenship.But why did they seek visas in the first place? Because Zionists decided to form their state in land that already had a people living in it. Moreover Zionists decided they needed to leave that land. Regardless of what Arab leaders did, the root blame for the displacement of the Palestinians that led to so many of them being behind barbed wire lies at the feet of the Zionists.
The fact that there are refuges now is not the problem of Israel. It was Palestinian mistakes that lead them up to this point.You say that Palestinians were forced out of their homes by gunpoint. No, really? After you win a battle (not a war, mind you), you usually want to evacuate the people related to the aggressors even if they weren't involved. The U.S put Japanese in camps also during WWII when Pearl Harbor occurred; this is just a strategy to secure an area.
Did the Palestinians have a choice as to whether or not the Zionists would choose Palestine to form the Israeli state? No. So how could their mistakes have led them to that point? They didn't. They only did what any people would do when faced with invaders. The right of return that I mentioned earlier allows people to return to their homes after conflict. Japanese in internment camps weren't kept there for seventy years, they were allowed to go back to their homes after the way. Palestinians on the other hand had no homes to go back to after the Israelis bulldozed them and constructed settlements over them. The example you gave just goes to show what a reasonable country like America does concerning the right of return versus what Israel does.
Jobs are not plentiful. There are many Israelis living in the country. What to know something that's called the real world? Most Jewish people would probably hire other Jews over Arabs. That's simply how the world works; and I can assure you, it's not just people in Israel.Without work permits many Palestinians can't even attempt to join the workforce. They can't even legally take jobs that most Israelis wouldn't touch such as those in manual labor. The work permit situation perpetuates Palestinian poverty. Just like how the Nazis made it difficult for Jews to "take" German jobs in the years leading up to the holocaust, so do the Israelis deny the Palestinians the ability to seek jobs. So you're right in that regard, it's not just people in Israel.
So you're saying because of a false decision by the Palestinians, Israel has to permit them back? It is the Arab leaders responsibility if they encouraged them to leave.I really suggest you read up on some international law. It's called the right of return. The term right of return refers to a principle of international law, codified in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, giving any person the right to return to, and re-enter, his country of origin.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 13 states that "[e]veryone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."
So by denying Palestinians the right to go back to their homes, Israelis are violating their basic human rights.
Now you make me laugh. Show aggression towards other neighboring countries? Is it Israel's fault also that they were attacked on every side when they declared independence? They made and kept a peace treaty with Jordan and others so try and avoid violence.Excuse me, I meant more that there is a disproportionate amount of aggression from Israelis. At least if we compare this to how they are provoked. I think the 2006 Israel/Lebanon conflict is an example of this.
Lebanon killed three soldiers and captured two. During the resulting conflict 1,200 Lebanese were killed and 160 Israelis were killed. Most Lebanese were civilians. Here is a link showing hundreds of cases of Israeli government agression towards civilians. I warn you, some of the stuff on that link is pretty graphic. Laser guided missiles and "smart bombs" are very precise. They rarely miss their target. When residential buildings, schools or hospitals are targetted, this means civilians will be killed. These actions, ordered by Israel's IDF are quite deliberate. They are carried out with meticulous accuracy. This is the Israeli government which allows and condones these types of actions.
I understand that some of the stuff I've brought up has been what I've heard from people. What I pointed out though is that the stories I've cited are not isolated incidents and are representivie of many Palestinian refugee stories.
Visiting the camps is really eye opening. Hundereds of people with the keys to their original homes around their necks, their most prized posetions, the deeds to the land they were evicted from.
I'm not anti-Zionist. I hope the Israelies someday find a state of their own. I would prefer if they displaced no people at all when they decide to do so. I think Siberia would make a good spot, some place where there are no people whatsoever for them to displace. Truely, I'm pro-human. I belive in human rights. I belive in the rights of the Palestinians. I have loved Jews, I have loved Palestinians. People like you two just seem so blind. I can understand how years of conflict can have muddled your vision, I understand that it's difficult to accept that ones people have made mistakes. I just hope that some day the Israelies will be able to take a good look at themselves before it's too late. The world will only tolerate genocide for so long.
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I've traveled all over the Middle East, lived here for years, met all types of people. Palestinians in Palestine, Jordan and refugee camps. Jewish Palestinians native to the region, Jews who are Jordanian, Yemeni Jews, Zionists. I'm no expert on the issue, I can't quote you speeches or numbers. What I can tell you however is what I've heard from many people, the sentiments I've felt, the people I've seen behind barbed wire, the violent scars of shells in the land. So much emotion, so much evil and so much strength.
I'm an outsider looking in on what is going on here, I just want to tell people in this thread what I've seen and heard. That is all, you have tried to challenge me and failed. Please let me type up my reply to Gabe, he is reasonable.
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I can't debate this any more with you Isreal63, you don't seem to understand half my posts. You also make claims that you are unable to substantiate when I ask for evidence and figures you states are inconsistent. 10k rockets then 12k rockets? I pretty much think they are made up. I'm sorry but it is people like you who fuel this conflict. Ignorance and blind belief are the two plagues of the Middle East.
Fortunately, I think this thread has provided a decent demonstration to people who might not have made up their minds. TIFers, I present to you the Zionist, Isreal 63, is this the type of person who it is morally justified to support? No.
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Go ahead and blame it on the Jews again. I get it; we've always been the ones to be blamed in history.
I never blamed the Jews. I blame Zionists. I'm not anti-semitic at all, you won't be playing that card on me. IF you read my previous posts I made it clear that I'm friends with many Jews who do not support Israel. These are Jews who live in Arab majority countries. Please don't try and pin that on me, that's why I said Jews and Zionists. All Zionists are Jews but not all Jews are Zionists, the non Zionists I respect immensely.
Also, injustices committed to towards the Jews have been horrible, however it gives them no right to mistreat the Palestinians.
I'll edit this with the rest of my reply to you Gabe in a bit, just wanted to clear that up first.
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I know, it disgusts me too. I've become really passionate about this after living here knowing so many Palestinians, Zionists and Jews and seeing what people are capable of doing. Thanks for the songs, they cheer me up a bit. If only things were that simple.
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Why can't he Arab country where they fled accept them Israel did why can't they it isn't a one way street.
Some countries did and some didn't. Kuwait for example took in many refugees but granted none of them citizenship. Jordan on the other hand granted millions of refugees citizenship. In fact now one of the biggest problems in Jordan is that Palestinians outnumber native Jordanians. Either way, it's not fair to just assume that it's okay to uproot people just because they had a place to go. Either way, this whole quote chain on this particular subject doesn't address my original claims anymore. As such they still stand.
First off there are 50,000 Palestinians work in Israel.Only a small proportion of the total Palestinians still in Israel. Most are unable to obtain work permits, this perpetuates their poverty. Trust me, I've been to Ramala, I've been the Bethlehem, it's very sad to hear the stories these people have.
Why can't the Arab states grant them citizenship instead of letting them live in refugee camps.Most Palestinians in camps have chosen to live in camps until they are able to return to the lands that are rightfully theirs. It's just taken them longer then they've expected. It is not the Arab leaders responsibility to accept the refugees. Ultimately the blame falls on the Israelis for making them refugees.
You are right they also killed non British soldiers but they only targeted the British. Unlike the Palestinian Terrorist organization which target civilians the Jewish extremist did go into a home of a Arab and slaughter the whole family like what happen a few months ago in Itmar to the fogel familyI'll quote from that article; "The murder of the Fogel family has devastated Israel, and shocked many Palestinians. The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, described the killings as 'inhuman and immoral'." This shows how the crime you mentioned was not backed by the mainstream Palestinian establishment. It reflects a small radical sentiment.
Meanwhile, here is a link showing hundreds of cases of Israeli government agression towards civilians. I warn you, some of the stuff on that link is pretty graphic. Laser guided missiles and "smart bombs" are very precise. They rarely miss their target. When residential buildings, schools or hospitals are targetted, this means civilians will be killed. These actions, ordered by Israel's IDF are quite deliberate. They are carried out with meticulous accuracy. This is the Israeli government which allows and condones these types of actions. This is the mentality of the mainstream Zionist. I this you, Isreal63, demonstrate this quite well.
I think this shows a trend of Zionist aggression. First towards British and other westerners. Then towards Palestinians. More recently towards both Palestinians and neighboring nations. You cannot claim that Israel wants peace when they have NEVER in their existence been a peaceful state.
I am sorry when did Israel round up Palestinians at gun point and put them behind barbed wire?Well I've heard multiple stories of people being "relocated" by the Israeli army. My Christian Palestinian friend for example, his grandfather was a judge in Ramala. This made the family very upper class. One day, they were forced out of their home at gunpoint and told they could return in a few weeks. When they tried to return they could not get through the Israeli blockades into the town. They were forced by the Israelis into a refugee camp. Luckily they were able to escape into Jordan by bribing the Israeli guards. They have resettled and due to being educated they were able to rebuild their lives. Years later they are fine, but it still doesn't make what happened to them right.
This type of story is commonplace amongst refugees. Many did not choose to leave their homes, they were forced.
As for your argument about one town where Arab militarizes advised people to leave, this happens in all wars. What you have though is something called the right of return. It lets peoples displaced by war return to their homes. This way they can leave to protect their children during the time of conflict and then return to their lives. Israel does not recognize this right. When you are told you need to leave your home because it is about to become a warzone, that isn't leaving from your free will.
It becomes Israels fault for putting the Palestinians in danger and making them leave.
I didn't address some of the things you said because they didn't address my original arguments. For example no citation on the accusation of 12 year old suicide bombers. Sorry.
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What abuse would you be referring to? I don't know if you but there are 21 Arab countries with 300 million Arabs in them in the world. In israel the only Jewish state their is 1 million Arabs, That is 0.0033 percent of that Arab population that percentage of Arabs have more human rights then any Arab country, And Israel is not a Arab country. So i am not sure what you mean by they don't have basic human rights would you be willing to explain.
I was talking about Palestinians, not Arabs. Though only a small proportion of Arabs were effected, a massive proportion of Palestinians have been.
What abuse would you be referring to? I don't know if you but there are 21 Arab countries with 300 million Arabs in them in the world. In israel the only Jewish state their is 1 million Arabs, That is 0.0033 percent of that Arab population that percentage of Arabs have more human rights then any Arab country, And Israel is not a Arab country. So i am not sure what you mean by they don't have basic human rights would you be willing to explain.
Mainly being forced off of their lands and away from their livelyhoods, families being seperated for generations, persecution of Palestinians who remained (not giving them work permits), no right of return, the Gaza blockade, numerous massacres of civilians. Shall I go on? Shall I give you specific events?
To start off. In 1948 there were over one million Jews living in various Arab Muslim countries. Many of their communities dated back 2,500 years. Throughout 1947 and 1948 these Jews were persecuted and their property and belongings were confiscated. 1,002,270 Jews were forced out of their homes for simply being Jewish. Most of them fled to Israel and Israel accepted them. They were resettled in Israel at great expense, and without any offer of compensation from the Arab governments who confiscated their possessions. ON the other hand you had 826,000 Arab refugees from Israel. Since the Palestinians refused to accept an independent state of their own in 1948 the Arab states never gave them citizenship.
Meanwhile, a leader of the Arab National Committee in Haifa, Hajj Nimer el-Khatib, said Arab soldiers in Jaffa were mistreating the residents. "They robbed individuals and homes. Life was of little value, and the honor of women was defiled. This state of affairs led many Arabs to leave the city under the protection of British tanks. This was under the encouragement of their leaders, they were expelled. This is just one example of many times that they were told by their leaders to flee and they would return of conquerors after they would push the Jews into the sea. I am not denying that some were forced out of their homes but most were encouraged by their leaders to leave.
That doesn't really address my argument. Unless you are saying that abuses committed by Arabs in other countries are to be avenged on the Palestinians. I know Jews who currently live peacefully in Egypt, Yemen and Jordan. There are others in other Arab countries but I have never met them personally. It doesn't matter if some Arabs persecuted Jews, that shouldn't give Zionists the right to persecute Palestinians, especially not for seventy years. It doesn't work that way morally.
I'm glad you agree that they were forced from their homes. The reason their leaders encouraged them to leave was because they did not want them to become casualties. It remains a fact though that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, both Christian and Muslim, were forced out of their homes and nothing makes that right.
You are right there was extremist in the day of the British but they only target them. They didn't send their 12 year old child into a cafe to blow himself up. That is a big deference between the Jewish extremist and the Arab extremist.Citation for the 12 year old and the cafe please. Moreover in the bombing I referenced people from 40 nationalities were killed by Zionist terrorists. That's not only targeting the British.
How have they reenacted their own abuse on the Palestinians? Please give a example i am not saying it didn't happen i just want something to work with
I think forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint and into refugee camps behind barbed, guarded with machine guns and dogs wire is somewhat reminiscent of the holocaust, woudn't you say? That's what Zionists have done to Palestinians.
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What Das didn't tell you, is that he's a ginger!
Oh, so you can talk about former staffs hair color but we can't talk about staff professions? :ugeek:
(teasing)
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Cls is actually better than rapier. Not much, but a little bit at bandos.
Has been proven untrue. Check the metagame section.
Unfortunately I can't link you to the relevant information, but CLS has been proven to be better than a rapier on Graar (rapier is still better on minions, of course).
I'll reread the thread then. Apologies.
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Can TEF be the cute redhead?
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First, I would like to give some background about me personally. I've lived in Jordan for the past three years. Most of the people living in Jordan currently are Palestinian. I used to support the state of Israel, but after living here I do not anymore. I have no hatred towards Jews or the Jewish faith, just the concept of Zionism disgusts me.
Here is why. I've met many, many Palestinians. They are a peaceful people, they are the kindest I have ever met and extremely welcoming to me, an American. What is important to keep in mind is that Palestinians are also extremely emotional. It upsets them very much to have been abused by the Israelis like they have. Or to know that their families who did not leave do not have basic human freedoms.
I've visited the refugee camps where people have the keys to their former homes on necklaces. Homes that their grandparents were evicted from by gunpoint. The stories I heard of persecution troubled me. It's not a Jewish versus Muslim thing either. What people don't realize is that there are many Christian Palestinians as well. The Zionists have murdered many Christians as well as Muslims. They aren't welcoming to anyone else in their state. They can't be, the way birthrates are if Israel allowed Christians and Muslims to be citizens then the Jews would be outnumbered within a century. Democratic? Bah, they are only democratic as long as they do not accept other religions in their country. That kind of defeats the purpose of a democracy.
As for the terrorist methods of the Palestinians, it is important to note that the original Zionists used extremely similar methods. In order to persuade the British to support the formation of Israel the Zionists killed many British civilians. The most notable time this happened was the King David Hotel bombing. Desperate people resort to desperate methods.
I can't predict what a solution to the situation would entail. However I can say that I feel what has happened to the Palestinians is very unjust and even reminiscent of the persecution that Jews have faced in the past. Just as the child who is beaten at home becomes a sadistic bully when he enters the schoolyard, so have the Israelis reenacted their own abuse on the Palestinians.
Edit: I've also had many experiences when visiting Israel of people being rude after seeing my dad, who has darker skin like an Arab (he is Italian) or being rude after finding out I live in Jordan. These contrast with visiting a Palestinian refugee camp and having people invite me into their makeshift hovels for tea.
Edit2: Also, in Jordan, which is majority Palestinian there are Jews. One close friend of mine is one. Jordanian Jews who live here without encountering too many problems. I know there are significant amounts of Jews in Yemen and Egypt too. They coexist peacefully because most Arabs make the distinction between Jews, who they tolerate and Zionists, who commit crimes against humanity.
Edit3: I'm interested to see what Gabe and Isreal have to say about my post. I look forward to their replies.
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Bolt making is "make 15 sets" now. Slow exp and less afk then bow fletching.
GF Jamgex for messing up one of the best fletching methods.
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lol @ Mod Moltare taking credit for the death hat update.
Out of curiosity, whose idea was it originally?
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That first sentence doesn't even make sense.
Okay, well you can consider it whatever you want. A reasonable number of people consider it to be punishment, though not in the form of a warning or ban. I don't know how to make it any simpler for you to understand. Though it is not an official warning/ban you are taking action against our accounts by limiting what we can or cannot put in our siggies.
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The inputs are empty, it is up to the user to make them obey the 1:1. So they CAN break the rules, just as they CAN abide by them. It's not that hard to understand.
Telling us we can do something if we change our behavior amounts to a punishment. You originally said nobody was punished for having the links in their siggies. Removing them from the giggies amounts to punishment.
And whatever your opinions about TEF moderation are, I'm sure you can go over there and create a thread to discuss them. Discussing them here are a little offtopic.
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Sorry if this post is cumbersome.
1. @ Danq I hope you allow users to exercise judgement. I mean if people want to bot it takes about 30 seconds on google to find an open source macroing site. Botters will bot no matter what. That is why a warning on the thread to follow the 1:1 rule should suffice.
@ Y_Guy Please show me what you are basing this off of. Wicked has explained how the scripts cannot be illegal because they have no input values and therefor cannot break the 1:1 rule. This makes perfect sense. Please share what you have on your end.
2. @ Y_Guy TEF has been punished as most of our members are either former TIFers or on both forums. It's a small, still growing forum based off of research. If there are less members and less research going on the then as a whole our community is hurt. So by removing links for such a petty reason you are hurting our whole community. Moreover, there are often time when we would like to link people in H&A to TEF guides and research that would help them. We can't and it hurts our ability to help them.
@ Danq Again, show us this evidence. TEF users including the person who wrote the scripts have posted extensive evidence in this thread on why and how they are legal. Post yours.
3. Eniad said this in response to Cheesy; "In short, if you were a nice user with nothing whatsoever to do with pages of botting scripts, then yes, we may have left the link. As it stands you don't have our trust in this."
@ Danq This shows that the mods here do take all prior actions into consideration sometimes which is certainly biased as it is at their discretion when to do so. Merely being a TEF member means you can no longer post links to scripting sites. Makes no sense to me.
@ Y_Guy I'm not up in arms about that, I used it as an example. Stop trying to paint me in a negative light.
We don't have a considerable number of people at TEF advocating moderation changes. It is much more holistic, for example removed posts are moved to a public forum which creates accountability on the part of both mods and users. So while a few people may have been banned quickly, it is for very specific reasons. I'm not an admin at TEF so you would need to talk to one of them about this. I can just say that as a whole the moderation over there is very different. Part of that is that we are quite a small forum. I never advocated for TIF to be more like TEF either.
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It's all just an excuse to be biased at this point. We are nearing two weeks without a verifiable response from Jagex. I think this whole siggy thing has exposed a number of serious issues with the TIF moderation;
1. It is used to target other sites. Why else would TEF links be banned for having "botting scripts" while scripts are being posted here at TIF. Never mind that they are only mentioned in one thread on TEF. Never mind that the very first part of the thread has Wicked telling people to abide by the 1:1 rule when they use the scripts.
2. Guilty until proven innocent has resulted in a significant number of users being punished before TIF even is able to present evidence proving their guilt. Fair? No. Reasonable? No. Reflecting well on the TIF staff? No.
3. Apparently it is the official policy to moderate based on moderators discretion. The idea of moderating based on the whole of a persons posts is ridiculous. I've been banned for only a few trolling posts after about 1k helpful posts on H&A. If you were looking at the whole of my posts then I don't think those five should have counted. Really what I feel is going on is sometimes moderators use one mentality and sometimes the other, really to suit their own personal whims. That is very biased and unfair.
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Strictly speaking using a magic shortbow for ranged, though better then a d bow, isn't very good either.
Rune darts < karils xbow < handcannon depending on how much you are willing to spend.
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Actually a dragon defender would serve you best, especially at your levels you really won't be fighting much that would make you need those types of shields.
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"Shyla" friendchat is used by a lot of people
"DGS" clanchat is used by another group of people
Edit: The DGS chat is centered around dungoneering but almost all of the people in it are tipiters. A lot of efficiency based chat goes on in there too if you're into that sort of thing. By no means do you need to be dungoneering to stop by and just chat.
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In terms of gp/hp healed sharks are barely more expensive then monks. The jump comes at rocktails.
Sell the monks, buy like 500 sharks.
Buy prayer potions, they are at a massive low, no reason not to bring a bunch on slayer tasks and peity them
Israel vs Palestine
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Hezbollah is a political party, please keep that in mind. Though they are militant and use guerrilla tactics they are still primarily a political party. That means that not ever Hezbollah member is even a militant. Hezbollah is a butcher, a doctor, a construction worker, a child. The same goes for many militant organizations in the Middle East. They are political movements first and militant second.
So yes, it makes sense for them to build their headquarters in the middle of a city. Israelis just have no regard for collateral damage as the link I posted shows. Even Americans with our poor track record do not cause that amount of carnage.
And I KNOW for a fact that Israel has bulldozed civilan houses. Here is a Wikipedia link about it. The article is heavily cited and accurate, I suggest you read it Isreal63. It is a good summery, the UN reports on Israeli humanitarian violations are long and a bit boring. If you insist I can start citing them though.
Israel63, I'm curious, where are you from? What makes you an 'expert' on this topic?