Since February when I did the quest following the guide, one part of it did stump me: After belly aching the guards to the mining site with every conceivable conversation material to have them bet against me that I could win against their captain, nothing availed. So, I do believe betting the guards no longer works even though you do have to talk to the guards for information to talk to the captain. Of step one, sub-steps four and nine would have to be altered. I would like verification on this portion besides making my sub-character a member and double-checking this myself, though I think if it didn't work five months ago, it probably still doesn't apply to the quest. A note, though, following the quest guide with that left me at an end for two hours of wondering until I figured it wasn't necessary to take bets. Have a nice day. Forest surround, Garnu Thorn "The Garnu" For ease of reading, this block of text with hard returns, rather, is brought to you by requesting moderators to break up text.