Wertyue, The bot issue has been bothering me ever since they returned. It recently dawned on me why Jagex has little interest in trying to fix this problem. My son, who got me started playing Rune Scape, out grew the game and wanted to play WOW. This was not a problem with me, so we got him set up. While I have never been diagnosed with OCD, I realize I tend in those directions. Not wanting to commit my entire life to MMORPG's, I did not set up a WOW account myself. I did however, get to see the mechanics of the game by watching him play. As soon as Dungeoning was introduced to RS, I saw several similar things. Like how the dungeon armor looks like WOW "gear". Very similar also on how what they call bossing is related to dungeons in general. I just figured Jagex was feeling a little bit of heat from the competition, or they had hired one of WOW's programmers. The upside is that we were rewarded with some nice graphic updates and game play being a bit smoother. I just learned, that WOW offers a F2P version of their game (not just the free 30 day trials from a few years ago). I am not sure when they started that, but it had to hurt the total number of players on RS. The bottom line, bots count as players. Until Jagex can get their numbers up, by whatever means they can, ie. discounts, promos, xp bonuses, bots are probably here to stay. Unfortunate as it is to say, the dedicated players of RS, have been sold out, for bragging rights to the largest MMORPG. Keep up the good work folks, Gafel