CrystalFarm

Wyverns are worth doing regardless of whether you own goliaths or not, slashing with rapier or using a cls are both suited for this; due to their consistent double crimson charm drops, they have a high summon:slayer ratio, not to mention that they are cannonable. Desert wyrms are more common than Jungle wyrms, it's better to block deserts instead.

Not a problem, was fun working it all out for myself. Besides, I had a dark beast task and wasn't in the mood to do any homework.

Gemeos, I was thinking... With C2 skilling the way it is now, it seems reasonable to get about 70k fishing xp/hour PLUS 70k woodcutting xp/hour (although I think you get a little more fishing xp than woodcutting xp; these figures are only rough). This means that, if you can gain 120k fishing xp/hour standalone (as youhave stated here), doing C2 skilling this way will save you 7/12 hours + 7/14 hours per hour (0.583 + 0.5) = 1.083 hours per hour, making it ~8% more efficient to complete the majority of woodcutting and fishing with this method. Bear in mind: my ~70k/hour for both woodcutting and fishing comes from a source that reports ~100k/hour in fishing standalone, which seems to suggest that either your 120k/hour is too high or my 70k/hour is too low, which either suggests my 70k/hour should be higher, thus increasing the stated efficiency of my method, or suggests your 120k/hour should be lower, thus increasing the time value of 70k fishing experience, which also increases the stated efficiency of my method. It is also worth considering that your 140k/hour for woodcutting is widely accepted to be the standard rate of xp for splitting arctic pines, which is not only a great deal more strenuous than any aspect of C2 skilling, but is also considerably affected by the latency and stability of the player's internet connection. Lastly, no player that I am aware of has sustained this method for a considerable portion of 200m woodcutting, let alone all of it. If these conclusions drawn are sound, this allows us to look at something quite interesting: C2 firemaking. As you are probably aware, the rate in which one firemakes inside Daemonheim is much faster than elsewhere, I believe it is one fire per two ticks (please correct me if I'm wrong here, anyone). We can assume that on average, per two ticks of firemaking, you will gain 0.5*[grave branch xp] + 0.5*[ent branch xp]; (i.e. the average of the two), as I believe when you have 99 woodcutting, the ratio is of grave:ent is 1:1, but correct me if I'm wrong here, too. This comes out to ~242 xp/2ticks, ~121 xp/tick = ~726k xp/hour. Now, I failed about 10% of the time on my first hour attempting this, so if you consider this plus the 'waste' time in preparing yourself to light a row of logs, you could still say (within reason) that this suggests a rate equivalent to over 600k firemaking xp/hour, which is actually faster (and considerably easier) than pyrelord magic logs, making this (if my calculations are correct) more efficient than pyrelord magic logs, not to mention free, which brings me to my next point. It has already been established that pyrelord magic logs are more efficient than Jadinko lair firemaking if you value your time at inf. gp/hour (i.e. if money is absolutely not a factor, sup DD ranks), which logically leads us to the conclusion that firemaking within C2 skilling is more efficient than Jadinko lair firemaking (again, providing all calculations so far are correct). Thus, this allows us to draw the conclusion that firemaking within C2 skilling, provided you fish also is more efficient, regardless of how a player values their time over all other currently existing methods aside from Book of Char, while not being overly difficult. A final factor worth considering is the overall rate of firemaking:woodcutting in C2 skilling, if you choose to do firemaking. I believe the ratio of 1/2 xp logs to full xp logs is 1:1 and we've already assumed the ratio of grave:ent to be 1:1, so the average xp/log can be calculated knowing this. Firstly, 1/2 and 1 (meaning full xp) can be averaged to 0.75, so the average xp/log is 0.75, or three quarters of that of the maximum xp/log. 0.75*330 = 247.5 and 0.75*285 = 213.75. This averages out to ~231 xp/log on average, in woodcutting, which gives us a ratio of ~231:242 woodcutting to firemaking in C2 skilling, which is about 23:24. Regardless, this means you get more firemaking xp than woodcutting in C2 skilling, so assuming that you start C2 skilling with equal woodcutting and firemaking xp, you should finish firemaking first. The only thing I'm not too sure about here is the exact ratio of fishing:woodcutting in C2 skilling, could anyone help me out here? Also, I am interested to know how much better a primal hatchet is than a promethium hatchet. Tool-hunts can be difficult to organize.

I believe it is 'My Kingz'

correct, though I anticipate updates as well, and while slayer is the only skill that has a propensity to get slower (see jadinko lair, gano creatures, 3 strykewyrms), agility can only really get faster over time. also dag sentinels are about 260k melee exp an hr and more afk than skeles, until they get nerfed ofc, since you asked, all your other numbers are right. Slayer doesn't have a propensity to get slower, rather a possibility. The likelihood of Jagex to release a task that slows down the average xp/hour is roughly equal to that of them releasing one that speeds it up. There are countless updates in the past few years that have sped up slayer (turmoil, overloads, rapier, hellhound cave, steadfasts, auras) and only a few that have slowed it, of which ganodermic creatures aren't included, as you can block all of them with one slot, and we were given an additional slot when they were released. It would be correct to say that Slayer has a possibility to get slower but (and this has been shown), has a propensity to get faster.

The bonfire update is not going to be nearly as bad as people are anticipating. When Jagex say bonfires will be better than firemaking as it is, they're not talking about pyrelord firemaking, they're talking about one-line firemaking, which is obsolete anyway, thanks to Jadinko lair firemaking. Jadinko lair firemaking is a great high-level method for training firemaking, as it doesn't consist of absolute repetition like standard firemaking, it requires observation as well as attention (spotting curly roots), it has 'surprise' rewards (3 or 4 auto-burns with adze) and allows the player to rest for parts of it. On top of this, it provides a free, fast (but not as fast as click-intensive magic log pyrelord firemaking) and ultimately enjoyable way of training firemaking. My prediction is that bonfires will require less attention and interaction than Jadinko lair firemaking, but will be less xp/hour and won't be as 'enjoyable'. This will provide a slower but more viable training method for younger or more casual players with shorter attention spans. Thus, firemaking will become similar to woodcutting; both having a low attention, low xp method (ivy / bonfires), medium attn/xp (powercutting pines/teaks) and a high attn/xp (splitting pines with a dragon hatchet) method. All in all, it sounds like a good update, as long as the highest tier bonfires (magic) don't exceed 75% the speed of Jadinko lair (so, about 250k/hour max).

Aside from comp cape stats, Blocks has: 200m range (zero time value, is also 13m slayer) 200m magic (zero time value, is also 13m mining) 200m constitution (zero time value) 200m prayer (200 hours time value) 200m cooking (700 hours time value, being generous) 200m fletching (350 hours time value) Enough melee xp to be 200m all melees after 200m slayer without having to camp for melee, instead he will have to camp waterfiends/rock lobsters for 200m summoning) Jebrim's second account will get 5b before Blocks does.

Language:[hide] [/hide] :( I posted a comment on his SOF video telling him that he was the cancer destroying what was left of RS and its commnunity. He deleted it. Oh yeah, he spent his lamps on Slayer, too. Considering that Slayer xp is valued similarly as xp in a standalone skill you can gain about 250k/hour in, due to it being able to train multiple skills at once, this was a very poor decision. Regardless, I think anyone who ever buys spins, even just one iteration of the smallest purchase package, should be disregarded from any skill comparison, on here or otherwise, on account of them not only earning their xp through (what we all should agree to be) an illegitimate means of doing so, but for acting as an enabler unto Jagex in what is arguably the worst thing they've ever done to RS, in not only its implementation and immediate effect, but for what it means for the game's increasingly uncertain future.

Who will be the first to 200m all without any significant donations?

All trolling aside, I have no intention of getting 200m all skills. My current goal is 100m slayer.

Due to recent criticism of my slaying method from some DGS clan members, I have decided to stop using CLS on dagannoths and aberrant spectres, despite the fact that these are tasks where the cannon does the majority of the damage. Henceforth, I shall now use a much more DGS-approved method for these tasks.

my bad o btw nice soul wars cape/yak/d boots

:lol: Its hard to judge thats why the numbers are vastly different. Although the right circumstances can make this 2b an hour. Its hard to judge because its all dependent on buyers rather then what I can produce. I think I know the method that you are referring to here. I calculated that the maximum gain per hour is 2,055,000,000 gp (2.055b) per hour, with a margin of error of about 5m (based on current prices). However, (to my dismay), I found that the practicality of my hypothesis is very poor and it by no means works as a fair representation to the actual profit of the method. My calculations were based on being able to collect and bank 706 whiteberries per second (~424 per game tick) but in actuality, it is more like 0.22 whiteberries per second. There is a good chance you made a similar calculation error, I would suggest checking and if possible, recalculating and reposting the profit/hour value that you mentioned before.

not as pathetic as crystalfarm ok i'm done new wallpaper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQdPI9PwBqA&feature=feedu cya crystalfarm Reason I said that was actually because I was in a bad mood IRL (and a bit hungover as well). I didn't expect him to call me pathetic though! :o

Sweet, half way to page 1000! :shades: So how much -do- cave crawlers cost per hour? I suppose you consider steel titan scrolls + cannonballs + prayer potions (barely even a factor) + overloads/extremes... anything else; (and would it be viable for S U O M I)?

I would have thought if S U O M I had any rares he would have sold them already.

Simply seeking attention? I beg to differ. That may be part of it, but the psychology of the 'no-lifer', as we call them goes deeper, in my opinion. People are naturally competitive (well, some of us are) and the Runescape's high level community provides an ultra-competitive environment. Peer pressure and recognition (as I said, attention seeking can be part of it, depending on the 'no-lifer's' personality) are factors influencing 'no-lifers' to play as they do, but arguably the most powerful influence is their own brain. The most competitive amongst us crave competition in the same way that you might crave your favourite food and just as you might enjoy your favourite meal to sate this need, they receive 'doses' of said competition by observing their place on the hiscores and seeing their experience and rank increase as they devote more time to the game. It may be an ultimately fruitless pursuit with no real tangible 'gain' (aside from the sense of accomplishment), but that doesn't stop people from going for top ranks or experience gains. This is because sometimes people do things that don't make sense, or aren't practical, but they do it anyway because their brain tells them they need it. I know, because I'm like that too. Given more free time, I'd probably be one of those competing for top ranks or whatever, because it's what many of us enjoy doing; is that so wrong? Another point I'd like to raise is how I don't see how their pursuits for achievement on an online game affect you nor why you and other people like you on this thread seem to take offence to different people with different personalities finding enjoyment through different means than yourselves. Why raise this argument again if you recognise the need to apologise upon doing so? Why can't you accept that people find meaning, enjoyment and personal satisfaction in areas that you cannot? I suppose on some level you think that your own contribution to this matter is noble and is doing them good, but I don't believe so myself. If you think a few words which are essentially the overused, same old "You're wasting your time doing this, so don't do it" argument reworded to fit the situation and the subject(s) in question (S U O M I, in this case) is enough to convince the no-lifers who have inevitably heard the same thing said time and time again to change their ways and to quit Runescape then I believe you are sadly mistaken. If you don't think that what you're doing will make a difference and are just posting this to create argument, well that's just sad. I like how you generalise so called 'no-lifers' as "narcissistic attention seekers" with "dull little lives". I am genuinely curious as to why you dislike them so much, mind telling us? And don't retort with the expected 'I have nothing against them, just what they do', because I'll know it's not true. Saying "dull little lives" is condescending towards them, not their time spent on Runescape, because it creates the assumption that people must have sad, boring lives in order for them to do what they do. So tell us, what's the underlying cause of your dislike? EDIT: This argument is actually on topic, it's discussing the motive for why people aim for 200m in all skills and the problems in doing so and is entirely related to the thread itself, which is about the goal of 200m in all skills.

I just tried the pyrelord firemaking method, it's very fast firemaking xp and it's quite fun too. This is going to change the time taken to get 200m all skills, even assuming people chop and break Arctic pine with an adze and use Cook/FM effigy stages on Firemaking, people will still need to get at least 100m firemaking xp via burning logs. 100m firemaking xp use to take maybe 300 hours, now we're looking at about 170. (These are very rough estimates, but the point still stands) also inb4 jagex nerfs it in next update

I wonder how badly the average rate of DG xp/hour is going to decrease due to it relying on the presence of other people... It's a shame for people who aren't going to get 200mil dg for a while, like myself.

Ever since the update about a week ago, I've found myself getting about 1 effigy every 15 hours of slayer (based on about 45 hours of slayer). This might just be bad luck, but I've seen other people reporting the same thing. I am going for max cape right now, and my only non-99 is my 98 runecrafting, which is 800k off 99. I'm slaying to get effigies for 99 rc because I can't ZMI (I did ZMI to 91). I would honestly love to hear that this is just a streak of bad luck, but I suspect and fear otherwise. Players have complained about the experience rate from effigies since they were released about this time last year; I wouldn't be surprised if Jagex had finally decided to find their own way to deal with the problem. If this has happened, it will greatly change the amount of hours needed to get all 200ms, as cave crawlers will be less effective and that means this will be a big deal for the players that we discuss on this thread. Once again, I don't want to sound like one of those rants forum ragers who complain that whip drops have been nerfed because they haven't got one in a thousand kills or whatever.

Oh, he must have been going to crawlers then, that explains it. He probably didn't hop then, I guess. I just figured that seeing as he was standing at aberrant specs for a few seconds and then he was gone.

Hey guys, I'm CrystalFarm! I've been reading this thread for a bit and I've decided that I want to start contributing. I was slaying aberrant spectres last night and as soon as I completed my task and picked up my cannon, Elias turned up but hopped worlds even though I said my task was done. >_< Also, he was wearing proselyte instead of bandos. So I think he might be training slayer now.