Warband Prod

With the new dwarf quest which was released. Massively changed the mine xp rate. Problem is that only 2-3 people could do it at a time, as you need 20-30 worlds for it to be efficient.

LFM is 200k without BA, 300k with LRC is 90k-110k mining + ~75k smith + ~75kmage

My figures posted are accounting for the time you need to make up for in other skills for ttm. Warbands was only a small % decrease in ttm when you account the time you lost from xp you would have done in previous skills. This is 200m all skills right, not 200m mining? @God Scuzzy's record atm is 84, 729, 217 If he warbanded for 75/75 every day for the full month it would be : 10,915, 860 or 12.1% of total mining xp in the month. Without wbs the record is 73, 813, 357 this is all with bxp with ba So bxp amounts to 36, 906, 667 or 43.6% of the months total. Both BA & WB you do not train mining, wbs only accounts for 12% where as BA accounts 43.6%. BA is worse.

I really don't understand why people are making this so hard and confusing :/. Mining pre wbs was a multi-skill, you would receive xp in both mage/smith if you did it efficiently. This has to be factored into the amount of time you spend getting 200m mining post warbands. Meredith posted that wbs made mining 14 times faster, which is not the case as you now have to get mage (311.5hrs @ glacors 500k p/hr) and another 111.26 hrs getting smith (wbs 1.4m p/hr). So the additional hours for smith/mage are 422.76hrs + 200hrs (wb'ing mining) Total : 622.76 Pre wb's time to 200m mining : 1700 Post wb's time to 200m mining (factoring in mage + smith xp lost) = 622.76 1700/622.76 =2.72 times faster. Meredith stated 14 times, but when you factor in the time spent having to make up mage/smith xp it's only 2.72 times faster.

I lot of people have been confused with my op, I feel that I should clear up a few things.... So first off I posted : I lowered the mining rate to 225k p/hr, just so it was in your advantage. I got this rate because mining was a multi-skill before wbs. So 1hr of mining also included ~75k smith & ~75k mage. Don't discount mage because you view it as "worthless" as this is your opinion. Fact is 200m mining also ='ed 200mage/200smith at the same time so you have to take that into account. I calculated that 90k is a solid average rate of mine xp p/hr(factoring in banking, qh'ing, etc). The total for smith/mage/mine is 600m. So 200/90= ~2.2 hrs. So 2.2/3 (mage,mine,smith) is ~733hrs per 1 skill . The original post I was only discussing MINING in comparison. For 200m mining it takes ~200hrs via wbs so it is roughly an increase of 5 times the original method not the "14" times Meredith claimed. (Original post was slight difference in hrs) With the magic xp I was told that 0 time is spent on magic. However this is not the case as 200m slayer only nets you 200m str, ~150-200m att and 100m def (using mage). (Roughly) It is also a common method to use def (mage) for charms as the slayer ratio is ~0.5:1 We all know that mage slay was nerfed around 4mths ago, and may not return in the future :( So in conclusion I was only discussing MINING and wasn't stating that super heating was more efficient then wbs, rather stating there was only a 5 times increase from the most efficient method before warbands not "14". I sorry to all those who were confused, hopefully this will help clarify what I stated in my original post. @Meredith I think you didn't understand what I meant when I wrote that mining took 888hrs. This is because the most efficient before was superheating @ lrc which included smith/mage/mine xp p/hr. You seemed to think that mining took 1700hrs which is not the case as you also get mage/smith. I also can understand your view on mage but I differ on this after the mage slay nerf.

Problem with using the method Scuzzy is using is only 1 can really do it at a time.

RSN name is Warband Prod. I haven't done much mining/smithing and those were the rates I achieved, maybe ~90k mining because of urns. I think you did your mining pre eoc? Rates have changed significantly since the action bar was released.

You've manlipulated the figures in you advantage.... I get your point but let me fix your figures: Hours to 200m rc before runespan: 2671 Hours to 200m rc currently: 1558 Agreed on that one. However I worked mining out as Hours to 200m mining before warbands: 888 Hours to 200m mining after warbands: 133 I lowered the mining rate to 225k p/hr, just so it was in your advantage. I got this rate because mining was a multi-skill before wbs. So 1hr of mining also included ~75k smith & ~75k mage. Don't discount mage because you view it as "worthless" as this is your opinion. Fact is 200m mining also ='ed 200mage/200smith at the same time so you have to take that into account. I got an increase 6.01, not "14". Also farm/herb/con were not affected. Smith was increased by 4. But you also need to account that you need to spend 400hrs (glacors) getting 200m mage since your not superheating gold. I could spend an hour picking apart every logical flaw in your argument, but I think I'll leave it as an exercise for you to do on your own time. On a quick read-through I counted 8 incredibly concerning errors. I hope you become a better person out of this. I did :) My post here pretty much shows your limited knowledge of how multi-skilling works and how you don't account the time for other 200m's if you're wb'ing 200m mining. EDIT: Had a look at your runetracker history. Smith/mine/magic was never done at the same time :/ So much for being ee's dep owner

You've manlipulated the figures in you advantage.... I get your point but let me fix your figures: Hours to 200m rc before runespan: 2671 Hours to 200m rc currently: 1558 Agreed on that one. However I worked mining out as Hours to 200m mining before warbands: 888 Hours to 200m mining after warbands: 133 I lowered the mining rate to 225k p/hr, just so it was in your advantage. I got this rate because mining was a multi-skill before wbs. So 1hr of mining also included ~75k smith & ~75k mage. Don't discount mage because you view it as "worthless" as this is your opinion. Fact is 200m mining also ='ed 200mage/200smith at the same time so you have to take that into account. I got an increase 6.01, not "14". Also farm/herb/con were not affected. Smith was increased by 4. But you also need to account that you need to spend 400hrs (glacors) getting 200m mage since your not superheating gold.

Take rc for example was ~30k pre zmi and is now 130k at runespan, that is a 4 times increase. Mining the most efficient skill to wb use to be 250k- 275k mining (because smith/mage would be reached as at the same time as 200m mine). Taking that into account that means that mining has only only increased by 4 times, same amount as rc. The problem with wbs was that smith/mine received a huge increase at once, rather then being spread across several years like other skills.

What's your stance on ba'ing/sc'ing skills. Exactly the same as warbands as your gaining xp without training the skill.... I think people forget that with out these "OP" training methods 200m all skills would be an unrealistic goal for most....

Clearly you have no idea how long it lasts which either means you don't do warbands or you only do warbands for the exp then go back to doing whatever is considered efficient As far as I know they don't do warbands as they feel that it devalues the xp in the associated skills. Personally I don't see a problem with warbands as a lot of the people who have used it in my fc have only done it to get 99 in the associated skills which they need for max then stop. I feel that warbands is not OP as there as everyone seems to forget the change in xp rates over the years. Take rc for example was ~30k pre zmi and is now 130k at runespan, that is a 4 times increase. Mining the most efficient skill to wb use to be 250k- 275k mining (because smith/mage would be reached as at the same time as 200m mine). Taking that into account that means that mining has only only increased by 4 times, same amount as rc. The problem with wbs was that smith/mine received a huge increase at once, rather then being spread across several years like other skills.

I thought that he would of done airuts for the remainder. Only 1/4 less prayer xp but 2-5m p/hr depending on scales/seeds, also good crim rate, but he finished sum anyway.