Briante

Ahah, I'm actually impressed Jagex thought of that one. I am, however, a tad dissappointed that they messed with my favorite skill.

As far as I see there are still easy ways to give out wealth outside the limit. I'm not sure if Jagex has addressed this already but it wouldn't be that hard to give out millions 50k at a time through a POH treasure chest in a games room or dungeon.

That's the problem. Nearly all players agree with you there. So they're all going to want to use the GE. So that's why the prices go down. But when all this junk gets sold for cheap these bank cleaners will go back to their routine and there will be a fair amount of sellers and prices will shift back into their original position.

Adding to that: Come prepared when debating with qeltar. If not there may be a immdeiate rise of "Owned" posts and more importantly "You fail" pics. You have been warned. As I have said, so far in our little debate on the RSOF, a majority identify with my way of thinking. So, you may either actually read the discussion objectively, or leave. Either way this is a discussion for intelligent people. This is no place for silly pictures or childish "owned" posts. Immaturity only proves that the poster is not intelligent enough to make an actual contribution to the discussion.

SirHemen- The Grand Exchange is not designed to tell you what to sell your items for. The Market Price is designed to attempt to keep up with the price that players are selling their items for. The forums are still open and there's always the "old fashion" way of selling things. As I said in my post, in time the rush of sellers will die down and it will likely be changed so that you may set a price at the Exchange within a wider, or infinite range.

qeltar- Do not see my argument as a personal discredit of your intelligence. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading some of your Truthscape articles and identify with your views in the most cases. I simply defend the Grand Exchange update, and Jagex, because they DO know a thing or two about how to run their own game. I am primarily targetting the extremists who think the update should be repealed. (And I do not believe you fit into that category.) As I have said, I do agree that the five percent range is too narrow, which I gather is your main point. However, I do defend it's purpose in this initial week or two as the Grand Exchange balances out.

Latinoking- While qeltar is quite intelligent, long posts do not make him the arbiter of all knowledge. I do agree with him that the 5% limit should be removed, I, however, am defending it's existence in the early release days of the Grand Exchange, because, as I stated in my initial post, it protects price drops from completely declining. Do not overestimate an argument simply because of a quantity of letters. A compelling amount of Forum posters have agreed with the validity of my argument over qeltar's. The following from Horoika on the RSOF-

Anyone interested should join our conversation on the Runescape Official forums. We have a good discussion going which includes a forum mod, partially responsible for the intelligent aspect of the discussion.

Also a C&P: So now there are a more people buying sharks at the highest prices and few sellers. The GE is programmed to increase the market price now. What is 'flawed' about that? When the GE hype dies down this oscilation effect will stabali*e and the 5% limit will probably be removed. (OR increased.)

This concept was posted by a fellow Tip.Iter, but apparently not everyone here understands it... So here goes... --------- The Grand Exchange in itself is NOT the reason for any economic decline you may have noticed. Although I for one have seen no price fluctuations that affect me (a woodcutter and a carpender), but I do recognize that certain other markets are faring a bit worse in the light of the GE. Now, what is causing this economic decline in certain items? Well, when the GE was released, what was the first thing almost EVERYONE did? Went to the Grand Exchange and loaded their 6 slots with old merchandise to clear out their banks and get quick money in a quick fashion. What happens to prices when 90 or so percent of players start selling things that were previously dormant in their banks? Well obviously they go down. All those farming seeds that people complain about being super hard to sell now... well obviously, you all had them sitting around in your bank and now you expect to be able to sell them immidiately when nearly every other player is also selling them? Unfortunately there are still the same, if not less, farmers to buy them because they're all selling their fish that they don't need while farming. Now, for all of you who complain about the 5% range... It's there to protect you. Without that range to slow down price fluctuation all of these rapid sellers with the same amount of buyers would cause prices to completely die overnight. Give the Grand Exchange time to even out. When everyone's done rapid selling to clean out their banks the buyer-seller ratio will return to normal. Then it may be possible to remove the 5% limit so prices can fluctuate as the buyer-seller ratio changes per item. At the moment the buyer seller ratio is estimated at a few buyers per thousands of sellers... So yea, give it some time and stop complaining. Now, if any of you disagree, (which I'm sure isn't the case ) please say so in a mature, intelligent manner. -Bri

I believe Q still plays. He was at a house party of mine relatively recently.

I'm not sure what you mean by me having a hard time leveling construction, nor what that has to do with anything I posted... but anyway, sounds like a cool idea.

Looks really cool Axe Man. I'm not sure what you mean with your castle wars inspired altar and fighting area. Sounds like a cool idea to make a long hall with 2 distinc bases... Hey, mine is sort of like that, maybe I could have clan warz when I make the two paths.... Anyways Axe Man, I'd love to see the dungeon when it's all doen. Perhaps you could draw up a picture of what it will look like?

Some pretty cool designs I'm seeing.

Why waste money on 80 construction if you will never invite anyone or show pics?

I think the whole purpose of the Game Engine Update was so that loading times wouldn't be too bad. :P

Name: Briante Construction: 79 I have literally been waiting for a year for this update, constantly making my construction better knowing that Jagex would one day give us more rooms. FINALLY we are getting 10 more this month. So I ask, what are you going to do with them? I for one will be putting my parlour back to make my main floor a perfect rectangle with 2 gardens in the center. (Right now it's a perfect rectangle with a hole in the side.) Then I will be adding 8 rooms to my current rather small dungeon. As shown in this picture....

Thanks to everyone who came. I'll most likely be open on and off these coming weeks. Just add me, if I'm on w9 I'll probably be at my house.

This image is a bit outdated as the parlour has been deleted to make room for a costume room below the combat room.

World: 9 Place: Rimmington Portal (Briante's house) Status: CLOSED Yes, I am having a house party. Please don't message me with questions, I'll do my best to answer them all now. My construction level is 77. I train with oak doors in my dungeon. I have a guilded altar (I am not lighting burners) and most everything else good. My lecturn is an eagle lecturn. My dungeon is not huge. 4 rooms specifically designed to drop people in an oubliette and make them run through a deadly hallway in order to reach the stairs. I still consider my dungeon incomplete though as I have run out of money to buy monsters. I recently upgraded to a bone cage so my oubliette is empty. (If anyone is nice enough to donate money for a rocnar or other dungeon monster/trap please Pm me.) Thanks, and please post if you're coming.

bump - post pictures if you have the ultimate dungeon.

Too true. We need more rooms.

I like the concept of an easy, medium, and hard entrance all leading to the same treasure room.

You'd think so but no, the guide only lists the levels of the treasure room guards. Nevertheless I have gotten them all thanks to Chessy's 99 cons party. And as for the green dragon idea... we're talking about pohs.

Thanks for the pics, I'm updating the monster levels after exploring different people's houses. Does anyone have a level pic for troll guard/ huge spidy?