thanks i didnt know if anyone remembered me and i really didnt think anyone would remember the old spinning gear yea and your not quite right on the gradient stroke overlay on the text its more of a inner shadow outer glow bevel and satin and it did look alot better when i was tierd at 3 am last night just use the same font, white, no bevel, and 1 pixel stroke. i think it would look much better Nice sig :P