killu69

nice list id agree

no proof? 1) do you hiccup? thats proof 2) you have a collar bone? thats proof 3) look at the back of your hand,see the lines? thats proof why is this proof? 1) fish hiccup to get rid of water in there lungs(or whatever). we hiccup, but we dont swim, its a fish attribute. 2) collar bones for walking on all fours, and i cant see many humans doing that... 3) the lines is the result of scales, if we didnt have scales, it would be smooth thats proof just b/c fish do somethign and so do we it doesnt mean that you can say we obtain that attribute from them. it's possible for two things to have the same attributes and be unrealated another problem with evolution are the missing links. A monkey cant be a monkey monkey monkey then all of the sudden its a man. Theres no fossils of the transitional stages.

There are a lot of contradictory and obfuscated ideas there.. I'd nitpick but you said you were in a rush and may need to explain more, so, could you? One thing that popped-out was that when you explained "option 1" it became the same as "option 2" and, just.. :-/ lol i looked in my post and couldnt find the "stuff" that i wrote about so could you quote a bigger sentence or something. As for the explaining the two options the same here's is the basic jest. 1) the problem with the world being infinate is that it is changing and something that is eternal can not change 2) The main question for the second option is where caused evolution? Because it is impossible for something to come from nothing. The uncaused cause-How did God come about then? If you were to walk into a room and see dominaos falling you would have to assume that something had to cause them to fall, because they cannot just fall on their own. Even though the domianos cause one another to fall after the they get started, it must be some outside force that caused the first one to fall. This is why the world has to have a creator, because it doesnt make sense to believe in infinate regression. The idea that believing that nothing caused the first dominao to fall, but instead they have always been falling infinatly in the past. This same logic can be used in figuring out what caused God. Nothing. If he had a cause, then what caused that cause, and so forth infinatly backward like the dominaos. God is uncaused and has just always been. Hope that helps worm

As you know, creationism is all about how the universe was created in 6 days, with all the animals and humans set up in it ready to go. As opposed to evolution where life started off as single celled organisms and then diversified and became more complicated over billions of years with billions of trial and error tests. This post isn't about whether there is a God or not, it's about whether life (through a God, or lack of a God) started off through evolution or not. Your post simply addresses the problem of the beginning of evolution. In my opinion, the beginning of evolution is a philosophical question at the moment where religion can have something to say if it wants. But evolution itself is a fact. Not all people interpert the 6 days of creationism to be literal days as we know them now. And as for the part that evolution is a fact i would have to disagree. As even the leading advocates of it refer to it as a theory. There is not enough proof (not much at all actually) to confirm evolution as a fact. If your asking me as to whether animals evolve and such then i would of course agree with you, but I always though that evolution was the belief that we world evolved from nothing. edit-im going 2 bed for now but ill be sure to check this tomm

well heres my view... So there are only three options concering how the world was created 1) The world was never created and has aways been here ( the world is eternal) 2) The world "created" itself (something from nothing) 3) Or something created the world (God imo) The problem with option number one is that the world is not eternal, and therefore could not have created itself. For something to be eternal "always been here" it cannot change, and the world changes everyday. Futhermore, the earth is losing its "energy" i.e changing(therodynamics is complicated but feel 2 pm if u want 2 know some more about it). Since something that is eternal cannot change we know that we world cannot have always existed as it is changing now. Option number is what most people call evolution. I really have no problem with evolution except for the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE for something to come from nothing. And if you want to go down the "there was energy, or little atoms, or whatever else at the begining of the world" then i ask you where did that come from? We know that from the first option those atoms can not have always been there, or else they could have have changed (evolved) Well as i see it, since there are only 3 options and the first two have been proven false, by defalt we could accept number 3. However, the problem that most people have about option number 3 is "Where did God come from?" Even as a Christian it is a hard thing for me to understand and even harder to explain, and imo takes some faith to believe in. Since NOTHING has to be created can be eternal then God has got to "just always been there." These "arguments" for creationism are just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to talking about how the world began, and Id be happy to discuss it in futher people who might be interested in what i said. Dont get me wrong folks. I'm in no way against evolution, and i think that it could be the way God created the world. However, I believe that if evolution did occur it was because God created the "first substances" that sparked evolution. I wrote this really fast and my ideas my not be laid out clearly, so please in a nice way post on something that might be unclear and ill try to make it make sense. O and again feel free to pm me with any questions you might have about what i just said :wink: . [/u]

1.Dumb and Dumber 2.Return of the King 3.The Two Towers 4. Fellowship of the Rings 5. Shawshank Redemption 6.Oceans eleven 7.Braveheart 8.The Matrix(first one, the other two sucked) 9.Saving Private Ryan 10. Gladiator