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Wow, I respect you now. CNN, Fox and BBC are probally the most anti-arab stations I have ever seen. And Al Jhazeera is not the most anti-Western news service in the world? At least the few of us actually doing research for you care enough to spell things like Al Jhazeera right. When I watch arabic television, they dont exactly show you how to spell Al Jhazeera. I tried pro-nouncing it :lol:

Wow, I respect you now. CNN, Fox and BBC are probally the most anti-arab stations I have ever seen. What do you know about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? I'd like to find out about your wonderfully-balanced perspective. :lol: What would you like to know? I know lots about how Israels stomp on Palestinians. And you would like us to believe you are an unbiased source of information? And I suppose your unbiased? My opinion is just as unbiased as yours.

Wow, I respect you now. CNN, Fox and BBC are probally the most anti-arab stations I have ever seen. What do you know about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? I'd like to find out about your wonderfully-balanced perspective. :lol: What would you like to know? I know lots about how Israels stomp on Palestinians.

Wow, I respect you now. CNN, Fox and BBC are probally the most anti-arab stations I have ever seen. It could have something to do with them burning American flags and parading on the day of September 11th, 2001... in Palistan. From what I know, most Palistians blame partially Amercia for what loosing their country, because America funds Israel. :roll:

Wow, I respect you now. CNN, Fox and BBC are probally the most anti-arab stations I have ever seen.

Al Jahzeera is the closest station to Iraq, and broadcasts the news daily, they say how many people (approx) die each day, and interview the Iraqi people, so that viewers get an understanding of their life. I like you to tell me, another station that does the same.

Assassin, I couldnt agree with you more. I do understand that society cant be built on a system of fear. But do you agree that the current Iraq is more devastating than the ruling done by Saddam? Im just curious..

Your a smart kid, you'll think of something..

Purple, Im replying to what he said. I dont see how anyones "reply" could be wrong..

How do you know Bush only owns 1 small oil company? Is there a possibility (even the slightest) that he may own more? It is kinda suspicious... Going in to Iraq, finding nothing, and refusing to leave. Well Bush says "We are trying to form a government here!" No he's not, you cannot be so dumb to think he is trying to help the Iraqi's.

There are many ways I could prove it, but most of them are very offensive.... the only way I will give you any proof what so ever is if you PM me asking for it.

You know, I could back them up... But I feel as though if you are foolish enough to be tricked by Bush's scam, then you deserve whatever hits you in the face.

I dont have that kind of proof.... And now this gives your grounds to flame me and make me look stupid. But you know what, Im not the one being fooled by a Texan goof ball.

Yea, hes filling up his car for free, thats how he makes his money - wow your stupid! He sells it to other countries under his companies name.... DUH!

Bush does have the oil! He makes sure no one tells one him though.

What the hell do you mean? you do have it.... isnt it in everyones car? every gas station? BE MORE CLEAR!

Do you agree that Iraq has no governing body that will protect anyone? If you say yes... then you have no other choice but to agree to the fact that the oil is up for grabs. No one will stop America from invading Iraq, not even Iraq will stop America, because metaphorically - Iraq doesnt exist. That makes money for America because Bush simply sells the Oil to you Americans for money...DUH!

That statement couldn't be any less true. The only people still saying Bush wanted oil are the hippie protestors who just quit protesting Vietnam. Democrats don't even use that anymore. CNN reporters don't even use that anymore. It doesn't make logical sense - there's no basis for the claim and therefore, the ridiculous argument dropped. There are much more reasonable anti-Bush arguments out there. Oil is tired. Making me look like an idiot when it comes to Saddam is one thing... but to say Bush didnt want oil? Are you stupid? Let me break it down for you... The first and second WW were all about Politics right? There will be a third WW, its enevitable. Currently, China basically runs the world, because they are soo advanced on many levels, and have a lot of money. Seeing how there will be a third WW, the winner will be the country with the most money. China is in the lead right now, and the Middle East Oil Alliance grouping is in second. Bush see's this... notices that America will be screwed soon. So he cleverly tricks all you Americans into thinking Saddam/Osama/Hamas, whomever is after America. "Terrorists". Bush then invades Afganistan... blah blah blah... notices there is more oil in the fallin state of Iraq, and invades Iraq for oil too. When DMX said "Its all about money.." He wasnt joking..

I said clearly that Im not justifying anything Saddam did. I for one hate Saddam for what he did. As I said before (hopefullly you will get it this time) that Saddam was preventing Civil War, whether you like it or not, he did. He also did other things, as you mentioned. This thread was just to open up everyones minds a bit, not to make anyone mad. Just wanted everyone to be aware that Saddam did prevent Civil War.

Evil, I dont think it's Iran who is screwing over the oil prices... but its an organization that is. The arab oil companies realized that fighting eachother for the oil wont work... so they decided to join as one big oil company, to screw everyone else up. They say its Iran, but its really not..

I am Palestinian. I know of this issue a great deal... Thats a whole different story, under different circumstances thus it is a whole different thread, thank you. No, its not a different issue. You claim that these religions got along under Saddam's rule and that's inaccurate. You also said that you believe Saddam had to be hard on his people. I can't even consider anything you say to be a rational thought after that. Having rooms where women are forced into sexual acts against their will is "being hard on his people?" Mass murder is "being hard on his people?" I Think a different issue because Israel was "legally" given to the Jews. While the Palestinians had no where to go.. Completely different because the Jews are kicking around the Palestinians. In Iraq extremist want power over the state. If there was someone in power, such as Saddam, then there wouldnt be any problems. But yet again Bush needed his oil... And there is Christians and Jews in Iraq. I know this because I have Iraqi friends who are Christian, and they tell me there are Jews who live in Iraq. If you were the president of a country which consisted of tons of groups that wanted nothing more but to kill the other groups... what would you do? Saddam clearly chose violence, I didnt say it was right. I see it as wrong... All Im saying is that without him, look at what is happening.

I am Palestinian. I know of this issue a great deal... Thats a whole different story, under different circumstances thus it is a whole different thread, thank you. There are more relgions involved, though they may not be mentioned by the media.

I dont know how much knowledge anyone on the forums has about the civil war going on in Iraq as we speak, but I really would like to express what I think is going on. I am arab, born in Kuwait, with Palestine running through my blood. I was in Kuwait when Saddam was attacking (AKA Gulf War II). I was a little boy at the time, but I remember how society is in the Middle East. The Middle East is basically where everything started, specifically religion. The three big religions populating the area are Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. For many years, these cultures clashed against one another, but some how found the grounds for peace, and have successfully stayed at peace. Currently in Iraq, these cultures (Includes more than Islam, Christianity, and Judaism... but those are more well known) are fighting one another. But, they didnt use too.... up untill America came, and gave Saddam the boot from the presidential position. Now, you all can sit here in your warm Third World countries, and say "Saddam is a tyrant!" Not saying this isn't true, but I think he had to be rough on his country. Saddam understood that if he didnt keep a firm hand on everyone, the whole country would go crazy, and start attacking one another, such as whats happening now. Iraq is full of people that are ignorant to other religions, and see other religions and cultures as a threat to their religions well-being. So, they react the only way the know how too - fight. Saddam grew up knowing that everyone follows this philosophy, and knew that not only did he have to be strict, but he had to kill a few people to prove that he is the man in power. How would you manage a country which was populated with cultures that wanted to kill one another? Its a difficult position to be put in, and I cant imagine how Saddam managed the situation. All, for the most part, was fine. Saddam was in power, he had NO NUKES, and he maintained order and safety among his people. But, Bush convinced everyone in America that he needs to go stop Saddam, cause he has Nukes.... long story short - Bush steals Iraqi oil, Saddam goes through International Court and its tried accordingly. This is when everything gets messy. Without Saddam maintaining order and safety (through violence and fear), there is no one maintaining order and safety anymore! There are no police officers, no government, no court system, no nothing! Now, extremists who see there is no power over the state, see it as their chance to take over. But what one extremist group didnt know was that the other extremist group, who happen to be their rivals, also want to take over. So now you get a whole bunch of extremist groups trying to take over. So its like this.. I am home in Iraq today with my family. The door gets knocked down, and the extremists who belong to the X culture come in with guns drawn. They tell me I must join them, or I will be killed along with my familly. But I belong to culture Y! So I refuse, demanding my rights as a citizen of Iraq. My family and I are then killed. My brother, Moh'd gets notice that I have been killed by culture X. So he decides to get revenge, and joins a culture Y extremist group, and goes to someone elses house who belongs to culture X, and demands them to join their group. So its like an on going chain. No matter what you do, this is whats going to happen if you dont be strict with them. Without Saddam, Iraq is going to be in a Civil War for a long time. From CNN's website, I found that 50 people if not more are being killed due to Civil War a day. A DAY! And this has been going on ever since Saddam has been in custody. Give or take, a year ago Saddam was captured... so in 1 year there are 365 days. 365 days x 50 people = 18250 deaths. Now understand that 50 people a day isn't accurate... because there is no database counting every single person dying. A lot of people are unaccounted for. I am, in no way, justifying the measures Saddam took to maintain his country. But I do think that if he didn't, all hell would break loose. Dont just Flame me.. Be good at it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updated March 22, 2006 Iraq I have nothing to do but laugh. There are a lot of opinionated people in this forum, and I didnt expect anyone to agree with me at first. But I did think someone would get atleast understand what I was saying. Surely no one didnt. Lol, so I laugh, and I will rephrase everything that was originally posted, and will post my views on Bush. Even though this thread wasn't initially made for that, I feel its important. Just to get something clear.... Iraq, when being ruled by Saddam wasn't all that bad. The average person, who kept their "eyes open, mouth shut" (in other words, keeping your opinion to yourself) was living a very stable, safe life. "You would go to work, come home to the family, and expect the same thing everyday." - Abdul Hazim, my friend who lived in Iraq during Saddam's ruling. My friend Abdul isn't the only one saying Saddam's ruling wasn't all that bad either. The Iraqis want Saddam back! I know that sounds drastic, but its true. Ive been privilaged with a satalite feed from the Middle East, which has daily updates on the Iraqi issue. And from what Algezira, and ART News stations are reporting, the Iraqi people are living 100 times worse than the life they did in Saddams ruling. Atleast you knew if you were going to be alive when you left the house in the morning, now you dont. The extremists have set bombs everywhere, its not safe to leave your home. You cant go outside and help but think the worst is going to happen. Is Saddams ruling nearly as bad? No its not! And most of you think that it would be, but the same as I am being "Spoon fed with Anti-Bush videos" you are being Spoon fed with Anti-Saddam News! You guys only know part of the stories you see, you dont see the regular life Iraqis lived when Saddam was in rule, you only saw the images and videos of when he was slaughtering his people. The regular life was stable - economically, socially, politically, and for the most part, the people were safe. They didn't have fears of leaving their homes, expecting the next car their arm brushes by will blow up. Saddam was a bad man. Im not saying he was a saint or anything, Im not stupid, I hate him as much as the next guy. He killed innocent lives for no reason at all, and there is no justicification in that. But when I am trying to say is that Bush messed up, even though I didn't really say it. Bush thought he was doing the Iraqi people a favour when he took Saddam out of power, and so did I. I thought it was great that Saddam now didnt have the capability to kill another person. But, when Saddam was taken out of power, another problem - 100 times worse was set to happen. Extremists going rabid in Iraq, I dont care how bad this sounds, is way worse than what Saddam has ever did. Saddam actrually kept his people safe from this problem, believe it or not. And I do sympathize for the lives lost under Saddams rule, I really do. I am Arab myself, I would understand this the same, if not better than anyone who posts in this thread. But what Saddam did is over, its in the past. I shed a tear for all the lives lost, but I am trying to focus on the Iraq problem of today! We could sit here and argue about Saddam and what he did, but I initially started this thread to pick up awareness that Saddams ruling is not nearly as bad as the Iraq today. From what I understand, and from what I get from my Arabic News fee, is that Iraq is in a lot more hell than it was when Saddam was president. Dont just Flame me... Be GOOD at it. (I mean it) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry I didnt update when I said I would, but something came up. Anywayz.. My View on Bush.. As I said before, Bush is a Texan Goof-ball, and I stand by that. Im not going to take it back, or apologize for it. The reason I choose to dislike Bush is because of what he does. Believe it or not, Bush doesn't care about you Americans! He doesn't... Look what happened in New Orleans. The whole area was completly whipped out, and it took Bush around 1 week to act on the issue. BUT, it took Bush 5 days, and billions and billions of dollars to go to Afganistan to fight terrorism. Why did it take Bush soo long to help out his own country? Isn't it the presidents obligation to help his/her people? Bush insists on helping other countries such as Iraq, before he even helping his own country? Now that is scretchy.. Bush is in Iraq for oil, I dont care what anyone says.. You can say "My father is CIA, blah blah blah..." I dont care... Bush is in Iraq for oil. All Canadians know it, all Americans are in denial, because "Bush loves us!" - sure he does... :roll: Ok, Bush has his troops in Iraq right? Bush should know better than anyone that there is a Civil War in Iraq - but he doesn't, infact he denies that there is a Civil War! Why would he do that? For oil? Nahh - "My father is CIA and Bush loves us!" Why would Bush deny the Iraqi Civil War, when you, every American and Canadian, and myself know there is rabid Extremists killing everyone in sight?! It's because Bush wants oil - he doesnt want too much attention drawn towards Iraq, to hide his oil lines that he made. Blaaaaah, you guys kill me... Lol FLAME ME - but be good at it :lol: Updated March 22/06 @ 7:50pm

LOL, id pay $100 to see that :lol: :lol: :lol:

Im a proud innie....all outies are diseased me thinks..