ISREAL63
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Gaza is not a concentration camp you obviously don't know what a concentration camp is if you are calling it that. According to the Red Cross says no humanitarian crisis in Gaza
http://wireupdate.com/wires/16795/red-cross-says-no-humanitarian-crisis-in-gaza/
You are right the word Palaestina has been used in the past but never as a country on its own as oppose to israel which was a country 2000 years ago
So apparently just quoting sources that seem to validate your claim make you correct? Apparently you've never visited Gaza yet you'd rather listen to organizations, which often have an agenda. Well here you go:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7191359.stm
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/04/mathilde-redmatn-and-the-humanitarian-crisis-in-gaza.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/05/20105319333613851.html
And yes, evicting people from their homes isn't a humanitarian crisis http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1639309.php/EU-official-calls-on-Israel-to-end-policy-of-evicting-PalestiniansMy point is made clear, there are plenty of sources within even the week that contradict the Red Cross's seemingly whimsical claim. I assure you again, if you actually went to Gaza, you wouldn't want to stay. If you were a Palestinian, I assure you that you wouldn't have free movement between the border.
your sources are bias on the Palestinians it doesn't mention anything about rockets headed towards civilians homes i think anybody would agree that the red cross isn't bias. i am only using a source which can be trusted who works everyday there and that is the red cross. last i check the eygptain border is closed to them so they should be allowed into Israel?
And 2000 years ago there was no "Israel," it was part of the Roman Empire. And there was the land of the Philistines, which they controlled 5 major cities, but even back then the Jews were trying to wipe them off the map. If you don't consider that being "a country on its own" then again, Lebanon and Jordan should not exist as well.
Before the roman empire there was a country called Israel it was then conquered by the Romans that is a fact you can't be in denial over
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Actually the Palestinians are a lot better off Israel tried peace with them by giving them The Gaza strip in 2005 only to have over 10,000 rockets at Israeli civilians Nebuchadnezzar didn't try peace we did
I'll concede you got me on your username, it was close enough that I just shook my head
Your using one example as your basis for denial of a country to a people - is that your only crutch?
No problem you aren't the first to get that mixed up
My reason for denial is we tried only to get it thrown back in our face and not its not only one denial the kidnapping of a Israeli solider firing a rocket at a school bus let them first prove themselves in Gaza before they get more land
"When we use violence, we help Israel win international support," said Aziz Dweik, a leading Hamas lawmaker in the West Bank. "The Gaza flotilla has done more for Gaza than 10,000 rockets."
It looks like they have learned rockets do not send a message, and recently, Israel has looked quite bad as far as publicity goes.
Really so we don't they stop firing rocket then?
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Thank you for showing your antisemitic side now i now who i am arguing with
Surely an intelligent person as yourself must realize that globally this issue is murky and debatable. Throwing out antisemitic insults over the first drip of sarcasm towards being branded radical will only have you written off as a nutjob, theres radical people of all races.
Surely you would have to concede on a forum where your username and avatar are based upon your country - theres some obvious bias in your views. It's the equivalent of Palestinian32 saying the exact opposite.
You can easily argue that Palestinians today are just as displaced and oppressed and put down as jews were under Nebuchadnezzar. Both groups at the end of the day still bleed the same color and share the same basic thread of humanity. Both deserve a place to call home.
Compromise must be sought.
You left out what i was quoting i don't believe that was sarcasm if you look at 5 other post before and after he likes to call names at the end of each post so each post was sarcasm i don't think so if one post was i can under stand but a few different post i think it is what he thinks. Meaning it wasn't one drip of sarcasm it was a few
As for my user name Is Isreal not Israel as in "Is Real" not referring to Israel as for my avatar i am just showing what i believe its not bias bring me the facts and i will listen but only calling me out and not replying to what i said is bias and it says that you can't prove yourself so you are going to use different tactics to get your point across by calling names
Actually the Palestinians are a lot better off Israel tried peace with them by giving them The Gaza strip in 2005 only to have over 10,000 rockets at Israeli civilians Nebuchadnezzar didn't try peace we did
Just like the good ol' times back in Europe!
That sounds pretty antisemitic to me
Each sides both have some extremes and negative intentions. The difference is that Israel has the firepower, "might makes right." Again, Gaza is a concentration camp, anyone who would like to disagree go visit Israel first and then feel free to disagree if your conscience will allow you. The Holocaust was a horrible, horrible occurrence, but it should not be a warrant to reciprocate Jewish suffering to Palestinians.
And to the person saying Palestine never existed, see Bible, see "the land of the Philistines." Philistine, hmm, guess how you say Palestine/Palestinian in Arabic. Palestine was never a modern nation state, because it didn't exist in modern times, but the same can be said about Israel. Palestine is referenced many, many times throughout history. For instance, the Roman province was called Syria Palaestina, while multiple works refer to the region as Palestine. If you'd like to go on the premise of historical consistency, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Southern Turkey and Western Iraq should not exist, and instead should all be called Syria [note: reductio ad absurdum, I'm not actually advocating that].
Gaza is not a concentration camp you obviously don't know what a concentration camp is if you are calling it that. According to the Red Cross says no humanitarian crisis in Gaza
http://wireupdate.com/wires/16795/red-cross-says-no-humanitarian-crisis-in-gaza/
You are right the word Palaestina has been used in the past but never as a country on its own as oppose to israel which was a country 2000 years ago
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Napalm, stop and save your time. The guys just (for a lack of a better word, and I do apologize) trolling now. He contradicts himself and can't pick a side when needs be.
Thanks radicaal Jew, you made my morning class a little less boring.
I started thinking that after his last post.
When did i contradict myself? i see you know that you can't argue so you try using a different tactic it don't matter what names you are going to call me it doesn't change the truth
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Are you saying that I should ignore the facts and listen to you instead...?
No i am saying you should listen to the facts Israel was attacked in 1967 by 12 Arab armies it fought back and took land with it. that is the price the Arab armies paid by starting a war with Israel so the land belongs to israel
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I'm saying -for the third time- that Israel is occupying lands that are claimed by the State of Palestine. Is that single little fact so hard for you to get accross your head?
and i am saying for the fourth time that Israel isn't occupying any land its more like you are listening the facts not me
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Well, since we're bringing wikipedia to the table, here's the State of Palestine. And if you had read my post, you'd have noticed how I said that Israel is occupying the lands of the State of Palestine. So if you want to find it in a map, just look where it says "Israel".
So you are saying that Israel doesn't exist basically if you say " look where it says "Israel"" thanks for showing your true colors. So do you want to show me a map of it or can you not find one because the State of Palestine doesn't exist The Palestinian people do have control over the Gaza strip they can change the name if the like to Palestine but as of now there is not state called Palestine
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You're right: Israel aquired Gaza not in 1947 but in 1967. The responsibilty taken by Israel in 1947 still applies though.
So if Hamas controls Gaza "completely" as you say, it should be an independent state. But you claim there is no existing state from Palestinean lands. So, I ask again, which one is it: is there a Palestinean state or not?
In accordance with the Oslo Accords, the Palestinian Authority took over the administrative authority of the Gaza Strip that was in 1994 so you like arguing the facts good to know
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Because it is? If a land is not its own state, then it must be a part of another. That is what Israel claimed to after the war in 1947: it will oversee the occupied territory until a seperate state can be made. If no new state exists (as you claim) then Israel never ceded or released anything. They just GTFO'ed.
You seem to like ignoring the truth so i will show you some proof here is info on the gaza strip from the wikipedia and BBC please read it all and not just the part that suits you claim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5122404.stm
By the way check your facts Israel didn't have control of the Gaza strip till 1967 so stop lieing this a lie you can't get your self out of stop trying to change facts So you are stating that Israel is still controlling the Gaza strip because last i check it was run by the terrorist organization called Hamas a terrorist group created with one purpose in mind and that was to destroy Israel.
Israel is not in charge of the gaze strip
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As far as I know, Israel is responsible to overwatch the occupied Palestinean lands. Until Israel recongizes a Palestinian state, you cannot claim to of ceded or released any land.
Why would Israel be responsible for the Gaza strip? it handed it over to the PLO i am not claiming i am saying you can't turn facts to to claims Israel is not claiming to have handed it over it actually did it destroying to homes of 9000 Jews in the proses. So i could tell that don't like to see the truth but it is the truth and you can't deny it.
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Well if you just said Palestine did not exist as a state, then Israel did not cede Gaza. If it did, a state should of formed - but you do not recongize any. Which one is it then?
Who said the Gaza strip was called Palestine Hamas never changed its name it never declared the Gaza strip Palestine how am i to know how a terrorist organization works?
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So they can't cede land to help out? Okay. Typical Jewish-American culture.
Actuality you like to leave out fact in 2005 Israel gave up the Gaza Strip which resulted in over 10,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilians so yes Israel will not give up any land until the Palestinians can get there act together so yes Israel has given the PLO many gestures and in return it get rockets seems like a fare deal why not give them more land to fire rockets from
I see you like to name call
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So then what difference does it make? Why bother to keep posting it? Just move on.
i did i was arguing the recon why Israel won't give up any land do you have any argument relating to that?
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Thing is, I'm trying to say that Palestine or PLO or the homosexual club doesn't matter if they have a state or not. They are people and people to be reckoned with. Period. Talk about something else other than pointless specifications.
And if you're going with "if people have no state then they are not people" I can call you anti-Darfurian for "hatin" on the Darfur people.
I never said they were not people try not to put words in my mouth what i said was they don't have a country. I know that they are people, they just don't have a country.
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Lol, whatever makes you sleep at night. Palestine is a faction, group, state, whatever and ignoring it will not make it go away just to let you know.
Ahh, patriotic Jews. As bad as redneck Americans I'll say.
There is a group called the PLO not Palestine i am not ignoring it you are bring me some proof that there is a state of Palestine what is its borders it doesn't have meaning it doesn't exist
Thank you for showing your antisemitic side now i now who i am arguing with
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There is no country called Palestine, because Israel occupies palestinian territories. What does exist, however, is the State of Palestine, which is recognized as such by well over half of the world.
And I don't understand what you mean by "crabs" in the second sentense.
Really their is a state call Palestine where is it? I can't find it on any maps could you show me one good luck finding a map that doesn't exist
sorry i meant to write Arabs not crabs typo :wall:
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My intention, Y Guy, was simply to point out that international consensus--the same consensus which lead to the state of Israel to exist in the first place--is that Palestine *is* a state.
Homes which were purposefully placed there in settlements, yes?
The you are referring to is the UN and the UN never said that Palestine is a state
Yes homes that were built for and by civilians in their homeland i don't see i problem with that do you?
Short of a genocide, yes. Neither side has shown much, if any willingness to compromise, so the only way I conceivably see this problem being solved is if the international community just lets them go to war, which would end up being a slaughter of Palestinians, which would then infuriate the rest of the middle east, etc. etc....Things just don't look good.
Neither side has shown much? what about 2005 when Israel gave up the Gaza strip only to over 10,000 rockets fired at its civilians Israel has tried to give up land only to have it used against them
The US has a policy not to negotiate with terrorist why should Israel ?
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Unfortunately, I don't see this conflict being over short of a genocide. Yay.
short of a genocide?
Obama only last week proposed boudaries that imply the state of Palestine is very much real.
Baring in mind how influential US support has been to Israel over the years, are you suggesting the leader of the Free World is wrong in his opinion?
Yes obama is wrong he has no right to tell Israel what to do. The 1947 lines were called armistice lines not borders which was a temporary cease fire the border never was agreed upon later Israel liberated the rest of the British mandate land in a war its enemy started. So yes Obama has no right to tell a country in which has wasn't elected for what to do he can suggest but that is it. Second because Obama says something 300,000+ People have to be expelled from their homes?
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"There was never a country called "Palestine" it never existed never will"
Yes I realise there are Palestinians who would say Israel shouldn't exist, but Israel aren't constantly being branded terrorists, so what's their excuse?
The different is that Israel is real Palestine isn't it never has been.
Israel aren't constantly being branded terrorists, so what's their excuse?
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It's the compromising attitude of the Israeli state as exemplified by the post above which has lead to such amicable relations between the two states.
i am not sure i understand you 100 percent but if i did then you are saying the what i am saying is the source of the issue? could you help em out here and explain yourself?
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Except no, because it was the UN who gave Israel their territory. Know who that territory belonged to before that? Palestine. Who got told to get the [bleep] out, because jews, who were a minority, were getting a majority of the lands.
Before the land belong to Israel is belong to the British empire under the "Palestine Mandate" not the country of Palestine. Before the the British empire was the Ottoman empire. There never was a county called "Palestine" it never existed never will.
As for the majority and minority of the land yes a couple hundreds thousand of Jews immigrated to Israel before 1947 but also a hundred thousand crabs did to so you are leaving out details.
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My understanding of the situation is the Palestinians lived in the land, Israel was given the land after WWII, Palestinians want the land back.
Then fighting till the end of time. I am too ignorant of the situation to offer an opinion but can anyone clarify if I have the facts right or if I am missing any crucial information?
First off over 100,000 of the Arabs that lived in Israel before 1947 immigrated there in the 1930s to take advantage of the economy there which was the best in the region so there weren't born there and it wasn't their home land. Second the land never belong to the "Palestinians" because Palestine never existed. After the land was conquered over 2000 years ago by the Romans from the Jews it then belong to many different empires it never was on its own.
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As far as the Palestinians are concerned, it's their holy land too, and Israel seems to be fighting to kick them all out of the country, which I don't find any more morally correct than the Palestinians throwing the Jews out. There is no true "good" side to an over dramatized gang war. Though, being Jewish myself I'd prefer Israel wins.
Israel isn't kicking anyone out of the country.
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I'm pro-Israeli, but I understand they are not without fault.
What do you mean?
Israel vs Palestine
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That is true but what does that have to do with anything?